Okay? I can comment on that but I'd prefer if you would start with that argument first. Instead of lying and then changing your argument in attempt to salvage it.
It isn't harassment. I'm sorry to drop this bit of news to you. And let's play pretend and say that it was, then it would really matter that Sabat sees it. If he doesn't see it, how he can feel intimidated or pressured if he doesn't know about it? I'm sure he'd feel very harassed being called girlfriend. Might need to seek counseling.Kinokima wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:04 pmYou mean the video when he was calling Sabat “Girlfriend” and saying he has some secret dirt on Chris and he knows why he is Kick Vic and he better talk to Ty Beard. Yeah that’s not harassment at all. Lol
The video speaks for itself . And it doesn’t really matter if Chris sees the video or not. Nicks followers watch and then harrass the people he mentions in his videos
Another example is Nick mocking the Jelly bean thing and making it seems like that was what the entire investigation was based on and then his viewers going in and harassing Monica about it
Nick Rekieta regularly tells his viewers to not contact or harm his subjects in anyway. He cannot control his viewers minds. If they actively defy his warnings I'm not sure what he's supposed to.
If I'm not an active ally, I'm just as bad the people harrasing them? Spare me. If I'm not encouraging or partaking in it, I have nothing to answer to.Kinokima wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:04 pmNo you may not be encouraging harrassment yourself but you are just putting all this weight on the POSSIBILTY of people getting harrased but you never speak out when the other side is actually being harrased. So please spare me the song and dance that you care about harrassment.
Also please stop with I don’t believe anyone. It is very obvious from your posts what side you support.
I said need something tangible to believe someone beyond their word. I don't particularly care how much this bothers you.
I have no reason to believe he is a voice actor. And if he is, he doesn't sound like he knows anyone involved in the situation. All I hear is that his peers like to talk a lot. I'm open to being proven wrong. Can you prove it?jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:10 pmI do find it kinda amusing how you, somebody whom I assume isn't a voice actor, are trying to tell somebody who actually works in the industry and knows the people in it what the consensus actually is and presuming he's bullshitting you because...reasons, I guess? You're trying to appear like an unbiased neutral observer here but it's quite clear where you actually stand.
I do find it amusing how you're assuming I'm trying to appear as something I'm not. My opinions or views are not set in stone. I am open to any evidence on the matter. I am not on the mountain tops advocating for any side. I have and will forever stand for due process and evidence based judgements. If the side you don't like stands for that, that's your problem not mine.
There are other ways to prove sexual assaults than just witnesses. Not even just prove, at least give more credibility to accusers. I'm not sure why this seems to be the only thing you brought up. The allegations at least when it comes to convention goers all appear to be that Mignogna was doing this during meet ups, signings, panels and many other public events. So it wouldn't apply to those.Captain Awesome wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:11 pmSexual assaults are usually opportunistic and take place when the victim is in a vulnerable position (i.e alone with no witnesses).
So either you're incredibly callous, or powerfully stupid to demand "evidence". It's a convenient backstop to fall back to when you're just feigning impartiality.
Sony had conducted an investigation into three supposed incidents. I eagerly await the findings of this investigation as I think it will be crucial to my standing on this situation going forward.
You seem a bit too emotionally invested in the situation and I think it's harming your ability to provide particularly convincing arguments. I haven't fallen back to anything. I have and will continue to ask for evidence. I have no reason to jump to conclusions and your insults will not change my mind.
That's a big leap in logic to me. Hopefully, as this lawsuit goes on and Vic's accusers are vindicated, it'll vindicate the "dozens of unassociated women" as well. Or maybe something else will happen.Cursed Lemon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:30 pmOr you could simply put two and two together and realize that it's completely ridiculous and asinine to think that there's a decade-long coordinated effort by dozens of unassociated women to bring down a guy from whom they cannot extract any money, who has no socio-political clout, and otherwise doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
The only "asshole who doesn't think sexual assault is a big deal" seems to be you. If Vic Mignogna is a sexual predator assaulting people left and right, I want him off the streets not just out of job. Why is no one interested in doing this?Cursed Lemon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:30 pmFor the thousandth time, no one took Vic to court over this. He was not in danger of being thrown in jail, so your criteria for proof is completely irrelevant. Circumstantial evidence is still evidence, and why would you want to keep employing or associating with someone who has been multiply accused of sexual misconduct?
Unless you're an asshole who doesn't think sexual assault is a big deal.
Yeah, I'm biased that I believe people that I personally know over voice actors and other individuals that I personally do not. Are you saying that you yourself would not believe your daughter in your own hypothetical? You don't seem to hold any particular real views. It just seems damned if you do, damned if you don't with you and it's a chore to respond to.