Do you still care about the end of Z?

[Chuquita]

Thinking about it, if they were to partial retcon....I'd like to see Pan included as one of Gokû's students too, if they're intent on keeping Gokû teaches Uub. The idea of teacher Gokû is a thing I'm not a fan of (I prefer him as the eternal student) but I could deal better if Pan doesn't get pushed to the side for Uub and gets to learn from Gokû too.

[KBABZ]

Are they actually some contradictions between EoZ&DBS?

I would argue there is a huge one. The end of Z is about Goku looking forward to the future because Uub is the reincarnation of the strongest being he ever faced. In Super, we see numerous beings that are WAY stronger than Buu ever was, thus robbing DBZ's ending of its meaning.

Personally I don't think so: Uub was able to give Goku a run for his money in the brief time we saw him fight in either version of the ending, so for me that implied that Uub was in fact far stronger than Buu was.

[ABED]

Are they actually some contradictions between EoZ&DBS?

I would argue there is a huge one. The end of Z is about Goku looking forward to the future because Uub is the reincarnation of the strongest being he ever faced. In Super, we see numerous beings that are WAY stronger than Buu ever was, thus robbing DBZ's ending of its meaning.

Personally I don't think so: Uub was able to give Goku a run for his money in the brief time we saw him fight in either version of the ending, so for me that implied that Uub was in fact far stronger than Buu was.

Goku's holding back. He knows Uub is green so he's not using anywhere close to full power even in his base form.

[ZodaEX]

Would you mind a EOZ retcon? or Should they finally go past the EOZ?

Would I mind a EOZ retcon? Well it depends on how it's handled. I personally don't give a toot about the Manga versions myself, so if the retcon was exclusive, then I wouldn't mind, as I personally don't follow the manga.
If it was a Toei anime retcon, again it depends how it was handled. I'm okay with retconning GT, because I personally view it as a joke and can't take it seriously at all, therefore I would not care. The Z anime on the other hand, I would personally prefer that they attempt to not retcon any of it, but that's just my personal opinion of it all.

Isn‘t GT considered to be a Alternate Continuation?This wouldn’t even be a "GT retcon" because it’s not part of the main Story

That depends on who you ask. If you're asking me I would say I don't know what the "main story" is, and I don't care either.

[TheZFighter]

The more I read of this thread the more I realise them changing end of Z really isn't an issue.

[emperior]

I love the ending of the manga. It has grown a lot on me over the years, so much that I consider it to be the perfect ending for Dragon Ball.
But if they decided to get over it with Super I wouldn’t care, and I would actually be happy. The ending always felt like the start of a new story to me, and I would love to see Goku training Uub.
I also believe that it would be in the best interest of Super for it to finally become a sequel to the manga and not a midquel which milks the 10 years gap as much as possible. Super taking place in the gap is not even a bad idea in my opinion, as it makes sense for Toriyama to get some stories out of the period, but then it wouldn’t explain just why Battle of Gods had to take place years after Buu’s defeat while the other stories are all taking place in AGE 779-780.

I also miss how the time-skips the original manga had.

[Lord Beerus]

Well, yeah, it's the conclusion of Dragon Ball's original story, and I'd like for it to retain it's original integrity as much as possible.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I care about it because it's part of Toriyama's original vision, but as said previously you can separate modern Dragon Ball from classic Dragon Ball if you wish. The two versions are very clearly separate products at this stage, so if end of Z is retconned to fit with Super's continuity I will watch it with an open mind and if it doesn't work it's all good because the original will still be there on my shelves.

[Lunaar]

I think the real question is... why did they keep EoZ in Kai if they were just going to retcon it later? In fact, they'd arguably retconned it as soon as Pan was born in RoF, as she's four years old by the time EoZ happens... and according to Bulma, she hadn't seen Son in "five years" - thus messing up events before Super was even on-air. So what gives?

Lazy answer: We give Toei too much credit for planning ahead. They're basically just writing themselves into a corner out of sheer indifference for consistency.

It is worth mentioning that Uub has already been foreshadowed before the ToP began, so they do plan on coming back to that dangling thread, at least.

[ZodaEX]

I think the real question is... why did they keep EoZ in Kai if they were just going to retcon it later? In fact, they'd arguably retconned it as soon as Pan was born in RoF, as she's four years old by the time EoZ happens... and according to Bulma, she hadn't seen Son in "five years" - thus messing up events before Super was even on-air. So what gives?

Lazy answer: We give Toei too much credit for planning ahead. They're basically just writing themselves into a corner out of sheer indifference for consistency.

It is worth mentioning that Uub has already been foreshadowed before the ToP began, so they do plan on coming back to that dangling thread, at least.

Which EOZ are you talking about?

[KBABZ]

I think the real question is... why did they keep EoZ in Kai if they were just going to retcon it later?

Because it was easier to keep the ending as it was than animate a new one. And I guess nobody thought about adjusting Bulma's line or anything like that.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I think the real question is... why did they keep EoZ in Kai if they were just going to retcon it later?

Because it was easier to keep the ending as it was than animate a new one. And I guess nobody thought about adjusting Bulma's line or anything like that.

They didn't need to create a new ending. They could have just ended Kai with Kid Buu's defeat and the erasure of Earth's memories and it would have flowed naturally into the recap on the first episode of Super.

[ABED]

You make it sound like Kai was meant to usurp Z. It's just a recut of the show.

[Lunaar]

You make it sound like Kai was meant to usurp Z. It's just a recut of the show.

In a bubble, I would agree with you - but Dragon Ball Super literally premiered the week after Kai's "Final Chapters" finished airing in Japan, as if it were a continuation of the show for fresh-faced viewers. Similarly, GT premiered in the same fashion, though GT didn't really strive to outright change anything from the original material.

EDIT; additional response:

They didn't need to create a new ending. They could have just ended Kai with Kid Buu's defeat and the erasure of Earth's memories and it would have flowed naturally into the recap on the first episode of Super.

Kinda my point here. I would've preferred this, given how it was presented and how it's supposed to fit into the timeline - not to mention, basically every flashback used Kai footage unless it was necessary to find clips from older material.

[ABED]

The events of GT pick up after Z. Super takes place in between. GT didn't change anything.

[PFM18]

I care about it because it's part of Toriyama's original vision, but as said previously you can separate modern Dragon Ball from classic Dragon Ball if you wish. The two versions are very clearly separate products at this stage, so if end of Z is retconned to fit with Super's continuity I will watch it with an open mind and if it doesn't work it's all good because the original will still be there on my shelves.

They aren't really separate. This is a continuation of Toriyama's story after the Buu arc but before the epilogue. The last actual arc was the Buu arc, and the entirety of Super takes place after it. And Super is based on the original story, so in that respect it isn't separate.

[ABED]

I think he's being concrete. Any changes Super makes to the original can be hermetically sealed since the original is still there. Super's changes don't physically change Toriyama's manga. To use Star Wars as a counterexample, Lucasfilm made actual changes to their movies and you can't find good releases containing the original footage.

[ulisa]

I’ve never been a huge fan of Z’s Ending. Do I think they’ll change it? Probably not but I wouldn’t be opposed if they did. Granted, the ending with Uub can still work but I think a new ending would get rid of the post-TOP questions (how is Uub a challenge for Goku now, etc) Not saying those questions don’t have answers but eh, they don’t seem satisfying answers for me.

Plus, I’ve just never been fond of the idea of Uub. Don’t hate him but just never really cared for him, mainly because I think the role he serves—a potential successor/student for Goku would have been better served by using Pan in his place.

[ABED]

Plus, I’ve just never been fond of the idea of Uub. Don’t hate him but just never really cared for him, mainly because I think the role he serves—a potential successor/student for Goku would have been better served by using Pan in his place.

I think people make a bigger deal out of that role than they should. Uub's role in the finale isn't about being a future successor to Goku. Goku's excited because there are still more mountains to climb. In that way, I like what Uub represents, but I don't care for the character.

[KBABZ]

Plus, I’ve just never been fond of the idea of Uub. Don’t hate him but just never really cared for him, mainly because I think the role he serves—a potential successor/student for Goku would have been better served by using Pan in his place.

I think people make a bigger deal out of that role than they should. Uub's role in the finale isn't about being a future successor to Goku. Goku's excited because there are still more mountains to climb. In that way, I like what Uub represents, but I don't care for the character.

I agree here. Goku's excitement stems not from gaining a student, but gaining an opponent. This is the same reason why Goku spared Piccolo Jr. and Frieza and asked Krillin to spare Vegeta, among other examples. Not liking Uub is understandable: he only got two Chapters worth of pagetime so there was no chance to develop and explore his character.