ABED wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:04 am
KuririnNoKotoKa wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:51 am
ABED wrote: ↑
Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:48 am
Given where Super has gone, his being a reincarnation of Buu means so little now.
...why does it matter where Super did or didn't go?
Oob is a prop that serves to give Goku closure, yes, but he also is extremely green.
Goku expected someone great from the get go and got disappointed precisely because him being the reincarnation of Boo meant nothing in the end. It is the genuine eagerness to improve that he saw in Oob that was lacking in his own children. The Kanzenban ending making it even more obvious with the extra panels drawn with Goku seeing himself in a young Oob flying in the Kinto'un.
By design, anything that Super or anything set before the epilogue does that is not in the original run of the manga only serves to give more experience under Goku's belt for when he finally takes on Oob. It's going past
the would rise the issue that Oob is a non-character and keeping the story going past it would inevitably force Toriyama to tackle him in some way.
The entire point of the ending is there are more mountains to climb. Uub is the reincarnation of the strongest being Goku had ever faced, and yet, once Super roles around, we see that's just not true anymore. Not only does he face someone far stronger, Goku also surpasses Buu very easily. The original ending lacks any resonance now.
Uub is green. He has the power, but not the control. That's why he's training him. However, it doesn't matter because that raw power is something that Goku has long since surpassed. He sees Uub's latent talent, that's it. Goten and Trunks also had enthusiasm to improve at that age. He ain't seeing himself in Uub. You're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. If eagerness to improve was the criterion, he would see that in Pan.
The entire point of the ending is that there aren't
mountains to climb, Goku is making his own now. The idea that there is still more to chase after Boo came with Beerus and the Battle of Gods movie, years before Super, as a serial, was ever conceived and you are the one trying to fit it into the original ending.
Oob's power wasn't factor. Beyond just being green, the story already highlighted that Goku had the power to deal with Pure Boo from the get go. He had Gohan with him all those years, the same Gohan who despite being effectively retired from fighting after the Cell Games, quickly picked the pace back up (even if not at 100%) just to fight his dad again, yet Goku still chooses to not bother his son with his addiction.
Eagerness to fight is all there is to it. He tried it with Gohan and Goten during serialization, both grew to not care about dedicating their lives to fighting. Why would he gamble with Pan again? I'm sorry, but I don't buy that Goku is an idiot who would make the same mistake three times over. Maybe she would've had it in her to satisfy and keep up with him but tough luck, the next generation already burned off that avenue for him.
There is no baggage with Oob, there are no people trying to steer what he wants to be, Goku has free reign with this kid. Just look at Gohan: Ours had the eagerness to improve in him for a bit during the Cell arc, with Goku's guidance (which is also set before nearly a decade spent with heavenly masters) and he became one of the strongest in the universe from a couple months of basic training alone. His future self however? We all know how it went. Just imagine what Goku would be able to do with someone like Oob, who has that genuine drive to improve that Goku himself had?
Besides, Toriyama laid it even thicker with his redone Kanzenban ending. You can't possibly see this:
And say that the only thing Goku looked for was Oob's power. Whether you want to account for it or not, that's on you, but the ending was redone in 2004, far before even the faintest idea of reviving the story passed by anyone's head.