Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

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Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by DragonBallFoodie » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:57 am

He doesn't care either way. Chi-Chi may care, but not that much if she finds someone legitimately better than him.

His kids should be fine (Gohan is leading his own life, Goten I think can stay with Trunks).

It gives Goku the freedom to be the harem protagonist fans want him to be.

Times have changed now that anime protagonists and real-life people find divorce a more acceptable option. It's sad, definitely, but if people can be friends even after separation then it should be okay. (This is done with all respect to divorced people)
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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by SaintEvolution » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:04 pm

I never imagined that, and I don't think Chichi would be fine. She didn't dated anyone else in the 7 years Goku was dead. Why would she do that now?

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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by JohnnyCashKami » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:21 pm

SaintEvolution wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:04 pm
I never imagined that, and I don't think Chichi would be fine. She didn't dated anyone else in the 7 years Goku was dead. Why would she do that now?
She loves him so dearly that even death doesn't tear them apart.

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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:47 pm

JohnnyCashKami wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:21 pm
SaintEvolution wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:04 pm
I never imagined that, and I don't think Chichi would be fine. She didn't dated anyone else in the 7 years Goku was dead. Why would she do that now?
She loves him so dearly that even death doesn't tear them apart.
Yes, like before Goku comes back for the 25th Budokai for instance when she gushed so much over seeing him for the first time in seven years.

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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by Son Dragon » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:41 pm

I wouldn't want it. Goku is supposed to be pure hearted, and part of that involves living up to his promises to Chi Chi. And the two, do care for each other, despite their lack of always being on the same wavelength.

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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by MasenkoHA » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:49 pm

DragonBallFoodie wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:57 am


It gives Goku the freedom to be the harem protagonist fans want him to be.
Fans want a guy who has zero interest in sex and romance to be a harem protagonist?

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Post by Zephyr » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:09 pm

You know, I'm not sure I buy Goku and Chichi actually having legally signed any paperwork. I also don't buy that they saw their union as also a symbolic one with Kami-sama. Which means.....are they actually married in any meaningful sense, such that the concept of divorce would even be applicable?

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Post by ruler9871 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:02 pm

Goku wouldn't care, but Chi-chi would be heart broken.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:25 pm

Naw, Gokuu and Chi-Chi would never leave each other.
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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:29 pm

In what world do people want Goku to have a harem? What a silly thing to say.

He loves Chichi, and Chichi loves him. Any of the other girls (U6 Saiyans) dont even deserve a second glance.

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Post by Kunzait_83 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:58 pm

This is easily one of the absolute dumbest threads on this forum. And there've been some doozies before.

And no, "Goku should be a harem protagonist" has literally NEVER been a thing, anywhere, ever.
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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:03 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:58 pm
This is easily one of the absolute dumbest threads on this forum. And there've been some doozies before.

And no, "Goku should be a harem protagonist" has literally NEVER been a thing, anywhere, ever.
Thank you. I’ve got no idea where that came from :lol:

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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:34 pm

Pre-Resurrection F Goku would definitely care (but not in his feelings about it).

Goku nowadays probably wouldn't even know what a divorce is.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:28 am

Ok i took a look at the OP's post and laughed, because really what is the point of this thread as i couldn't make heads or tails of it? Like Goku would even know what a divorce is when he didn't understand the meaning of marriage due to his isolation as a kid from the majority of society. The whole harem protagonist thing got me even more, because that makes absolutely no freakin' sense at all.

And another thing, we don't even know how exactly is it is that marriages including Goku and Chi-Chi's are set up in the Dragon Ball world. They may just as likely have an entirely different equivalent from our own real life version of the concept as far as that goes.

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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by Kunzait_83 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:48 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:34 pm
Pre-Resurrection F Goku would definitely care (but not in his feelings about it).

Goku nowadays probably wouldn't even know what a divorce is.
Bruh...
You might just be confusing FUNimation-Goku for Goku-Goku here.
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Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by Dr. Casey » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:47 am

My take on Goku's feelings towards Chi-Chi are more charitable than the average. Do I think he's a lovestruck romantic? No, definitely definitely not. Do I think he holds any romantic feelings for her at all? Maybe, maybe not (though I'm leaning closer towards 'not'). Do I think he has any sexual feelings for her? Ignoring the 'Goku has never kissed Chi-Chi' line from Dragon Ball Super because it's dumb, I would lean towards yes. Gohan and Goten do exist after all, and though this is just pure speculation, Saiyans do seem to get the most enjoyment out of physical, sensory pleasures - Goku having loved both fighting and food his entire life.

Regardless of the answers to the above, though, one thing that Goku does understand is family thanks to his being raised by Grandpa Gohan. One of the exceedingly few things that Goku understands at the beginning of the series is family; that's actually something that contributes a bit to how feral, wild, and animalistic he comes across during the time we see him as a 12 year old - the fact that one of the only things he has any true grasp on is something so primal and basic.

Basically, I think that Goku views Chi-Chi as a best friend and a family member that he enjoys having sex with. Their dysfunction and incompatibility is given focus during their screentime together, but I do think that he's very close to her. The fact that Goku tells Gohan to let Chi-Chi know that he's sorry before sacrificing himself to kill Cell shows that he does understand the role of 'husband' on some level (even if it's doubtful that he feels much in the way of any romantic feelings himself), and he also promises to visit Chi-Chi sometimes before leaving with Uub despite making no such promises to any of his friends - again, acknowledgement that he owes his wife some attention and some time spent together. It's also worth mentioning that he spends more time around Chi-Chi than any other single person in his entire life. By the time of the 28th Budokai, they have spent 18 years together day in and day out (five years after the 23rd Budokai, three years before the Android arc, ten years after Buu). A far cry from the 30-something days that he spends with Krillin after their training with Roshi is finished.
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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by JohnnyCashKami » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:08 am

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:48 am
You might just be confusing FUNimation-Goku for Goku-Goku here.
Or he's mixing it up possibly with stuff he reads from Twitter/Tumblr and thinks it's genuine. Since when did Toyama ever say divorce would be fine for Gokou and Chichi would be fine? Hm.

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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:38 am

Kunzait_83 wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:48 am
DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:34 pm
Pre-Resurrection F Goku would definitely care (but not in his feelings about it).

Goku nowadays probably wouldn't even know what a divorce is.
Bruh...
You might just be confusing FUNimation-Goku for Goku-Goku here.
The dub has nothing to do with it. It’s perfectly plausible that he learned what it was over the years.

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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by XanatosVanBadass » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:06 am

Harem protagonist Goku doesn’t even make sense as a premise. I mean, who’d be in his harem anyway? Plus Goku wouldn’t get awkward and flustered the way they do in those kind of shows, so it’s kinda dumb anyway you slice it.

That said, I’ve mentioned before that it’d be funny if they did a filler episode or two where Goku agrees to train Caulifla and even lets her stay at the Son residence. All the while he’s completely oblivious to why Chichi would ever have an issue with a beautiful young Saiyan woman living in their household.

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Re: Is it okay for Goku to be an divorcee?

Post by DragonBallFoodie » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:33 pm

Thank you all for your comments.
ruler9871 wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:02 pm
Goku wouldn't care, but Chi-chi would be heart broken.
So on the whole, even if Goku doesn't care about marriage, he cares enough about Chi-Chi that he doesn't want her to be hurt. While more romantic moments would be welcome IMO, there were enough moments in the story for them to stay together. That sounds fair I guess.

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Basically, I think that Goku views Chi-Chi as a best friend and a family member that he enjoys having sex with. Their dysfunction and incompatibility is given focus during their screentime together, but I do think that he's very close to her. The fact that Goku tells Gohan to let Chi-Chi know that he's sorry before sacrificing himself to kill Cell shows that he does understand the role of 'husband' on some level (even if it's doubtful that he feels much in the way of any romantic feelings himself), and he also promises to visit Chi-Chi sometimes before leaving with Uub despite making no such promises to any of his friends - again, acknowledgement that he owes his wife some attention and some time spent together. It's also worth mentioning that he spends more time around Chi-Chi than any other single person in his entire life. By the time of the 28th Budokai, they have spent 18 years together day in and day out (five years after the 23rd Budokai, three years before the Android arc, ten years after Buu). A far cry from the 30-something days that he spends with Krillin after their training with Roshi is finished.
:clap: :thumbup: That's maybe the best analysis of Goku and Chi-Chi's relationship I've heard so far.

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Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:29 pm
In what world do people want Goku to have a harem? What a silly thing to say.
People were saying Goku should be with a Saiyan woman (or all the Universe 6 Saiyan women), it was partly shipping and partly criticism of Chi-Chi.
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