Are Tien and Chiaotzu a romantic couple?

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Re: Are Tien and Chiaotzu a romantic couple?

Post by ABED » Wed May 15, 2019 1:09 pm

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Uh, remind me again when this happened? Are you talking about the filler with General Blue?
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Re: Are Tien and Chiaotzu a romantic couple?

Post by ruler9871 » Wed May 15, 2019 1:10 pm

Saikyo no Senshi wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 2:17 am Last year's Precure series composer(head writer) and the series directors took all those aspects seriously and presented it in the most sincere way possible which is way better than any Western show I have ever seen.

Precure always had this going for it since its inception. The father of the franchise, Washio who started it and one of his reasons for doing it was to promote self empowerment among girls and not rely on boys. Sure, its not a unique thing or even the first time anyone has done it, but its nice to know what the creators had in mind while creating it. The last season just decided to go all out and it was fitting cause it was Precure's 15th anniversary. Its not just the show being progressive, but the head writer is genuinely an active person on social media talking about this stuff regularly on twitter. Given its largely positive reception in Japan and discussions around those aspects specifically(Henri's whole character is the biggest example), I don't think there should be any doubts even remotely what message it was trying to convey.

As for this year, the producer just literally said her goal is to draw attention to diversity and present it as a normal thing so that kids understand it as such as well. Lol. And, the 14th episode does so brilliantly. Again, no room for any doubt at all.

Its also not a Precure exclusive thing. Kids shows like Doremi in the past did it well and many more in the past as well as in the present take these aspects seriously. So, the whole PC/sjw/feminism/diversity is a western concept exclusive to Western media is bullcrap. Also, using PC/sjw as a pejorative in 20 fucking 19 is hilarious.
Wanting to empower girls (which is nothing new) =/= modern feminism (empowerment means different things to different people).

PC/sjw/feminism/diversity IS a western concept exclusive to Western media because none of the core beliefs and politics associated with them (gender being an artificial construct instead of biologically based, no innate differences between males & females, race/ethnicity being an imaginary construct, human equality in general, etc) are popular nor believed outside the West (hell, most folks of non-white/non-western descent who live in the West don't believe in that either). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqxH6hdOUw
Western folks really need to stop projecting politics into everything

And no, SJW is a valid insult due to the irrationality, close-mindedness, over-sensitive, anti-science, prudish and self-righteous attitude of the types of people associated with the term.
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Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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Re: Are Tien and Chiaotzu a romantic couple?

Post by MasenkoHA » Wed May 15, 2019 3:27 pm

ruler9871 wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 12:50 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:17 pm
Sailor Moon had gay characters and aside from the lesbian sailor soldiers their gay characters were problematic af to be mild.
That series doesn't write its LGBT characters any differently from its straight ones. There's heroes and villains of both orientations in it, so Naoko Takeuchi wasn't really trying to make a statement about it.
Except the first two gay male villains had a very stereotypical one is the man one is the woman. The feminine gay one was portrayed as a sissy and threw cherry blossoms as an attack. (It wasn’t that difficult for the dub to turn him into a female) and the latter gay villain cross dressed as a woman to seduce straight men (which is of course is problematic af when trans woman are murdered on the grounds of tricking men) so he could steal their dreams. Saying they weren’t portrayed any differently than the straight characters is kind of nope.

And this was strictly on the anime. From what I recall in the manga this wasn’t a problem because the former gay villains weren’t gay. Just pretty men as being written by a female author for a mostly young female audience. And the latter, iirc, was part of a cross dressing group of villains but didn’t have the whole pretending to be a woman to get a man cliche.

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Re: Are Tien and Chiaotzu a romantic couple?

Post by ruler9871 » Wed May 15, 2019 5:48 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 3:27 pm
ruler9871 wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 12:50 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue May 14, 2019 9:17 pm
Sailor Moon had gay characters and aside from the lesbian sailor soldiers their gay characters were problematic af to be mild.
That series doesn't write its LGBT characters any differently from its straight ones. There's heroes and villains of both orientations in it, so Naoko Takeuchi wasn't really trying to make a statement about it.
Except the first two gay male villains had a very stereotypical one is the man one is the woman. The feminine gay one was portrayed as a sissy and threw cherry blossoms as an attack. (It wasn’t that difficult for the dub to turn him into a female) and the latter gay villain cross dressed as a woman to seduce straight men (which is of course is problematic af when trans woman are murdered on the grounds of tricking men) so he could steal their dreams. Saying they weren’t portrayed any differently than the straight characters is kind of nope.

And this was strictly on the anime. From what I recall in the manga this wasn’t a problem because the former gay villains weren’t gay. Just pretty men as being written by a female author for a mostly young female audience. And the latter, iirc, was part of a cross dressing group of villains but didn’t have the whole pretending to be a woman to get a man cliche.
So what, gay characters aren't allowed to be villains now? What type of BS double standard is that? Besides, none of the gay villains' evilness in the series stems from their orientation, so how is it "problematic"?
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Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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Re: Are Tien and Chiaotzu a romantic couple?

Post by MCDaveG » Thu May 16, 2019 5:20 am

Saint Seiya had also some gay characters in it... Lacerta Misty and Pisces Aphrodite (with lipstick and rose based attacks). But that wasn't used as a statement either, but rather as being part of their character as they both were narcissists that admired their beauty.

I can understand that gay people are happy, when they have some representation in a media they like, same as I was happy that Prague and Czech Republic was a setting of Mobile Suit Victory Gundam. But it is not any social statement or something.
But does it promote diversity? Well yeah, it does, which is normal. I have straight friends, gay friends, one of them is transexual,
and even tough I don't like this I have friends argument, as it is just my word, it is crucial.
Because that people are gay or identify as a different gender because mistakes happen in nature, and people are just born sometimes, wired psychologically as women tough thanks to chemistry imballance, born as man - it is normal. It is same like us being caucasians, asians and africans. And I believe in equal rights, sure, I believe that two guys can be parents same as a two genders can in psychological sense.

What I don't like tough, is LBGT being used as fashion. I think that you can identify yourself as woman, man or unicorn, if you wish, but if you are not that gender biologically (and I think of transgender people as being biological gender, because human's character is not a soul, but a brain, biomechanical device), then it is fashion like furry's are and I don't see any reason to be vocal about it in such agressive manner.
Well, I like trains, you like dressing as a horse, let's go chat to a bar like two people.

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Re: Are Tien and Chiaotzu a romantic couple?

Post by Yosheets » Thu May 16, 2019 12:24 pm

No. They are literally Yamcha #2 and Puar #2. That's not the same as a romantic couple.

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Re: Are Tien and Chiaotzu a romantic couple?

Post by MasenkoHA » Thu May 16, 2019 1:03 pm

Yosheets wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 12:24 pm No. They are literally Yamcha #2 and Puar #2
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Re: Are Tien and Chiaotzu a romantic couple?

Post by DragonBallLove » Thu May 16, 2019 4:58 pm

MCDaveG wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:20 am Saint Seiya had also some gay characters in it... Lacerta Misty and Pisces Aphrodite (with lipstick and rose based attacks). But that wasn't used as a statement either, but rather as being part of their character as they both were narcissists that admired their beauty
Neither is gay, as in homosexual, meaning attracted to other men. The only explicitly gay main character in Saint Seiya is Cancer Death Toll, from Kurumada's Next Dimension manga. You can make a case for Episode G Assassin's characterization of Hyoga and Shun as a gay couple, but that's kept blurry. In the same manga, Hyoga's boss is transgender, and Aphrodite travestites for a mission.

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Post by MCDaveG » Thu May 16, 2019 5:28 pm

DragonBallLove wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 4:58 pm
MCDaveG wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:20 am Saint Seiya had also some gay characters in it... Lacerta Misty and Pisces Aphrodite (with lipstick and rose based attacks). But that wasn't used as a statement either, but rather as being part of their character as they both were narcissists that admired their beauty
Neither is gay, as in homosexual, meaning attracted to other men. The only explicitly gay main character in Saint Seiya is Cancer Death Toll, from Kurumada's Next Dimension manga. You can make a case for Episode G Assassin's characterization of Hyoga and Shun as a gay couple, but that's kept blurry. In the same manga, Hyoga's boss is transgender, and Aphrodite travestites for a mission.
Yeah, you are right, my bad. They are feminime in the anime, wearing a lipstick with Misty having a pink body suit, as in manga, they are just androgynous and narcissist, with Misty having white body suit.
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Re: Are Tien and Chiaotzu a romantic couple?

Post by Zarely » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:14 am

Not at all, they are all friends and training partners. Like Goku and Krillin.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:36 am

Tien and Chiaotzu's favorite 'foods' are each other:

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Also, Chiaotzu is far too weak to be an efficient sparring partner.

There's definitely something going on...
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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:39 am

They're men-loving men. Soulmates. Harmless emitters of love. The epicenter of a love bomb's explosion.
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Post by TheZFighter » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:54 pm

Never got those vibes from Tien and Chiatozu personally.
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Post by WittyUsername » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:06 pm

I never even realized that Tenshinhan x Chaotzu was an actual thing that people were wondering about. I know there have always been jokes in the fandom about them being gay, but I always assumed they were just that, jokes, just like the joke about Batman and Robin (AKA, Batman’s adopted son) being a couple. I never assumed that was an actual serious interpretation of their relationship. I mean, even TFS didn’t go that route, and they made Yaijrobe and Korin a couple.

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Post by Zarely » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:33 pm

WittyUsername wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:06 pm I never assumed that was an actual serious interpretation of their relationship.
There isn't, one is an adult and one looks like a small child. Only paedophiles would take that seriously. Normal people just see them for what they are, friends.

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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:18 pm

One can ship whatever characters they want together. That's the great thing about 2D characters and fictional contexts. I've been seeing some Tenshinhan x Yamcha stuff on Twitter lately that I'm loving.

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:27 pm

Whatever floats their boat i guess, i'm not really all that into shipping in general.
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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:38 pm

Fiction is really rad since you can do anything with it and if you're skilled you can create good art or writings. I'm always amazed at the skill of fan artists who draw romance art or comics.
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SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:27 pm Whatever floats their boat i guess, i'm not really all that into shipping in general.
Yeah I'm not sure why that guy posted those images here but It's pretty disturbing that people would think to even make up fan art like that. Some people are weird I guess like Bronies

Dragon Ball is one of the better Shonen anime series because it doesn't have all this romance stuff dragging it down, it's kept at such a minimum that it's only purpose is to create new characters like Gohan and Trunks. It wouldn't suit this series at all if it went further than that. I got tired of hearing about it when it came to Naruto and Bleach all the time because it was all fans harped on about.

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Zarely wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:33 am
SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:27 pm Whatever floats their boat i guess, i'm not really all that into shipping in general.
Yeah I'm not sure why that guy posted those images here but It's pretty disturbing that people would think to even make up fan art like that. Some people are weird I guess like Bronies

Dragon Ball is one of the better Shonen anime series because it doesn't have all this romance stuff dragging it down, it's kept at such a minimum that it's only purpose is to create new characters like Gohan and Trunks. It wouldn't suit this series at all if it went further than that. I got tired of hearing about it when it came to Naruto and Bleach all the time because it was all fans harped on about.
Psst, I'm not a guy. Thank you for your time.

Also, romance is awesome. Beating around the bush for 2-30 years is not.
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