Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:25 pm
-Fans hating ChiChi for being good mother
How is she a good mother?
How is she not? She never did anything wrong. She's overreacting a bit but what is wrong about her wanting Gohan to become smart person and responsible father instead of being a dumb fighter as Goku? She always wanted the best for Gohan.
-Fans still thinking Vegeta got SSJ4 by machine and that Goku achieved it by himself when it's completely opposite as both got help in Oozaru transformation but Vegeta was the one who turned into SSJ4 on his own while Goku needed Pan for that.
Vegeta had Bulma hit him with Bruits waves. Both had help.
Only for Oozaru. But unlike Goku he achieved SSJ4 on his own after that. Bruits waves had nothing to do with SSJ4. Machine stopped working after Vegeta turned into Oozaru. Everything after that was Vegeta's work.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
sunsetshimmer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:25 pm
-Fans hating ChiChi for being good mother
How is she a good mother?
How is she not? She never did anything wrong. She's overreacting a bit but what is wrong about her wanting Gohan to become smart person and responsible father instead of being a dumb fighter as Goku? She always wanted the best for Gohan.
-Fans still thinking Vegeta got SSJ4 by machine and that Goku achieved it by himself when it's completely opposite as both got help in Oozaru transformation but Vegeta was the one who turned into SSJ4 on his own while Goku needed Pan for that.
Vegeta had Bulma hit him with Bruits waves. Both had help.
Only for Oozaru. But unlike Goku he achieved SSJ4 on his own after that. Bruits waves had nothing to do with SSJ4. Machine stopped working after Vegeta turned into Oozaru. Everything after that was Vegeta's work.
You need Oozaru to unlock SSJ4. Without her, he gets nowhere. The entire point of that was to make him turn SSJ4. Both had help.
Pushing your kid to study all day every day isn't helping him become smart. Not to mention that not sheltering a child is a good idea. It's an even better idea given they live in the mountains, hours away from civilization. She's pushing him to be what she wants. He's four! She's a tiger mom, and they aren't concerned with what's best for their children. They want success for their children, but it's very superficial success. It also seems asinine that she doesn't want her kid to end up like his dad when she married him.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Hulk10 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:37 pm
Aside from the others I mentioned I also don't like how the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie made the admins of the dragon ball wikia think that Wrathful form is a part of the Legendary Super Saiyan form.........
My nitpick is that people go to the Wikia for information...
In 2019...
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ABED wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:33 pm
You need Oozaru to unlock SSJ4. Without her, he gets nowhere. The entire point of that was to make him turn SSJ4. Both had help.
The point is Vegeta could turn into Oozaru if he had a tail. It's not something he isn't capable of. Goku had his tail pulled off, it's the same "cheat". But people only whine about Vegeta, not Goku, even though Goku had more help as he couldn't even turn into SSJ4 once he achieved Oozaru. But Vegeta did, alone. It's like saying Goku didn't achieve SSJB on his own because he needed help to get SSJG which was needed to get SSJB. Well, it's not even the same, because Goku couldn't get SSJG other way, but they could turn into Oozaru easily if only they had tails. Also, Vegeta used fake moon to turn into Oozaru in saiyan saga. It's the same situation.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
Hulk10 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:37 pm
Aside from the others I mentioned I also don't like how the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie made the admins of the dragon ball wikia think that Wrathful form is a part of the Legendary Super Saiyan form.........
That’s more on the wikia for being mostly run by idiots.
One of mine is how Toriyama is tacking on stuff to existing stuff like suddenly coming up with all kinds of explanations of events in Z and things like 17 & 18's names. It feels very tacked on.
ABED wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:33 pm
You need Oozaru to unlock SSJ4. Without her, he gets nowhere. The entire point of that was to make him turn SSJ4. Both had help.
The point is Vegeta could turn into Oozaru if he had a tail. It's not something he isn't capable of. Goku had his tail pulled off, it's the same "cheat". But people only whine about Vegeta, not Goku, even though Goku had more help as he couldn't even turn into SSJ4 once he achieved Oozaru. But Vegeta did, alone. It's like saying Goku didn't achieve SSJB on his own because he needed help to get SSJG which was needed to get SSJB. Well, it's not even the same, because Goku couldn't get SSJG other way, but they could turn into Oozaru easily if only they had tails. Also, Vegeta used fake moon to turn into Oozaru in saiyan saga. It's the same situation.
Isn't that really more of a nitpick about the fans?
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:57 pm
This seems to be less a nitpicking thread and more “general issues/annoyances people have relating to Dragon Ball content”
It feels like a number of these aren't even nitpicks but substantive issues.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
ABED wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:49 pm
Isn't that really more of a nitpick about the fans?
That's what i said.
"I will concede that your feelings are worthy of the mightiest of Saiyans. However, there is more to my power than just this. Before you die, I will show it to you. This is the difference in power, between the primitive Saiyans and the evolved Tsufruians." ~Baby Vegeta
ABED wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:49 pm
Isn't that really more of a nitpick about the fans?
That's what i said.
I assumed this thread was about the actual franchise, not something outside of it.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Hulk10 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:37 pm
Aside from the others I mentioned I also don't like how the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie made the admins of the dragon ball wikia think that Wrathful form is a part of the Legendary Super Saiyan form.........
That’s more on the wikia for being mostly run by idiots.
True enough.
"We became like friends, we became like good friends." Broly to Cheelai and Lemo about his fur pelt.
The fact that Funimation still pronounces it Capsule CORPS(CORE) instead of CORP with a goddamned P sound. It's short for corporation and is not part of any military so it's technically supposed to be Corp.
"Your father was an average fighter, but a bRiLlIaNt sCiEnTIsT!"- Brian Drummond's pitch-perfect voice
louisascommie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:26 am
Black face is pretty fucked up
There is no black face in dragon ball that I can recall, which would be a non black character wearing makeup to depict themselves as a black person in a racist way. I think what you are referring to is characters like Mr. Popo and Black from the red ribbon army, who are designed with stereotypical, potentially racist features.
I understand that Popo was potentially based of the racist epitaph of "Little Sambo" but I can say from first hand experience as a kid that I did not see him as a black character or racist. I saw him as some kind of genie or mystical character. Does that mean he isn't a racist character? No. But from my point of view I didn't see it that way.
louisascommie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:26 am
Black face is pretty fucked up
There is no black face in dragon ball that I can recall, which would be a non black character wearing makeup to depict themselves as a black person in a racist way. I think what you are referring to is characters like Mr. Popo and Black from the red ribbon army, who are designed with stereotypical, potentially racist features.
I understand that Popo was potentially based of the racist epitaph of "Little Sambo" but I can say from first hand experience as a kid that I did not see him as a black character or racist. I saw him as some kind of genie or mystical character. Does that mean he isn't a racist character? No. But from my point of view I didn't see it that way.
But I can see where he's coming from. he did use the wrong terminology but Mr Popo's design is based on a horrible caricature of Black people. He's not a black person in the series, he's a genie but he's still reminiscent of those terrible stereotypes. Do you change his design or get rid of him, probably not because he is a fixed part of the series. Staff Officer Black though? Yeah, that's not cool and I'm glad he got redesigned for the anniversary movie.
"Your father was an average fighter, but a bRiLlIaNt sCiEnTIsT!"- Brian Drummond's pitch-perfect voice
Hulk10 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:37 pm
Aside from the others I mentioned I also don't like how the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie made the admins of the dragon ball wikia think that Wrathful form is a part of the Legendary Super Saiyan form.........
That’s more on the wikia for being mostly run by idiots.
Your right about that............ ugh.
"We became like friends, we became like good friends." Broly to Cheelai and Lemo about his fur pelt.
SSJGAffleck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:34 am
The fact that Funimation still pronounces it Capsule CORPS(CORE) instead of CORP with a goddamned P sound. It's short for corporation and is not part of any military so it's technically supposed to be Corp.
I've never once heard them say "Core" unless you're talking about DBS. In the old dub it was always "Corp"
Rory wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:59 am
It's still going. It needs to stop doing that.
