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DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by Tai Lung » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:21 pm

make a movie of dragon ball live action is very difficult because of the fantastic and very different world that the series has so it is that that only the animation could do and taking into account how popular the series in other countries so could be an adaptation of DB as series or movie with cartoon style

Do you think the style would fit or not? Could they capture the essence of the series?

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Post by PremiumSalt » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:27 pm

I really don't see the need to redesign the characters and artstyle that heavily. The series looks fine as it is.

As to your question, an animated film series would only work if made in Japan. Not to sound elitist, but frankly I don't trust anyone in Hollywood to treat the property correctly, animated or otherwise.
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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:32 pm

I'd say no. Part of Dragon Ball's charm is the Eastern style, imagery and general feel. We've seen what Americanizing the series does when it comes to music and dialogue, losing Toriyama's wacky and distinctive art style would be an even greater loss. It would be more interesting if it was a case like Avatar : The Last Airbender or Xiaolin Showdown where a show was produced in America but tried to emulate the Japanese style.
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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by DragonBallFoodie » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:05 pm

It was a cartoon series. One of the most famous in anime history.
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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by sintzu » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:35 pm

DragonBallFoodie wrote:
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It was a cartoon series. One of the most famous in anime history.
I think the topic is about it being an American style cartoon series. I don't think it can work for 2 reasons : 1- Changing DB's look will take away part of its identity. Unlike American comics and cartoons where the look is constantly being changed, fans expect all things DB to have Toriyama's original look. 2- Cartoon series tend to be episodic where each story starts and ends in the same episode or 2 part episodes. DB's stories go on for 40,50, & even 60 episodes.

With that said, I wouldn't be against something completely different like that if, and on ly if, the people behind it like DB, they have creative freedom, and are given a good budget to work with.
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I don't trust anyone in Hollywood to treat the property correctly, animated or otherwise.
Between remaking old movies and constantly bringing back old characters and concepts, they haven't been doing that good of a job either. Apart from BOG, modern DB is nothing more than a nostalgia/fan fiction series so if that's all they have to offer then maybe handing things over to a different team won't be such a bad idea.
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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

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sintzu wrote:
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PremiumSalt wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:27 pm
I don't trust anyone in Hollywood to treat the property correctly, animated or otherwise.
Between remaking old movies and constantly bringing back old characters and concepts, they haven't been doing that good of a job either. Apart from BOG, modern DB is nothing more than a nostalgia/fan fiction series so if that's all they have to offer then maybe handing things over to a different team won't be such a bad idea.
I'd take even the worst aspects of Modern DB over, say, DB Evolution any day of the week. Because even at its worst, Modern DB at least resembles the franchise, which Evolution does not. And that's my point. I'd rather have bad Dragon Ball than something completely different that has the DB name slapped on it.
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Kunzait_83 wrote:No matter what twisted pretzel logic you contort yourself into to try and convince yourself otherwise, Raditz landing on Earth is the middle of the fucking story. Zero context, zero setup. Its in NO way meant to be seen as a "beginning point" for ANYTHING other than the next story arc. It flows precisely and fluidly from where things left off in the aftermath of the 23rd Budokai and mostly hits the ground running from there without really stopping to look back. You're plopping someone into the middle of a book starting at chapter 195 out of 519 for absolutely no good goddamn reason, with very minimal opportunity to look back at much needed context and character/story growth.

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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:09 pm

Quite frankly no, because i think it has worked best as an anime and would never lend itself well in terms of the Western style of animation commonly used here in the U.S. Interestingly enough, that very thing was almost very nearly done to Sailor Moon back in around 1993 or 1994 by a company called Toon Makers before it ended up getting handed to DiC who just dubbed the original anime proper. It seems a test pilot pitch of this Americanized interpretation was made but then rejected, another thing i can think of along the same lines was when Speed Racer was given it's own original show known as Speed Racer: The New Adventures also in 1993 that had almost nothing to do with the original Mach Go Go Go/Speed series produced by Speed Racer Enterprises and Fred Wolf Films, the animation company behind the original 1987-1996 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon. However, this version was entirely independently produced by them apart from originating studio Tatsunoko Productions and apparently it was not authorized by them either. Those are some notable examples of Japanese animated shows being or at least attempted to be adapted into standard Western animated series like you would see on our side of the world.

Here's an article about the failed lost Americanization of Sailor Moon, and boy does it look horrible like a quasi almost Jem and the Holograms clone mishmashed with several other shows including elements of Power Rangers.

https://lostmediaarchive.fandom.com/wik ... n_Pilot%29
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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by sintzu » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:10 pm

PremiumSalt wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:07 pm
I'd take even the worst aspects of Modern DB over, say, DB Evolution any day of the week. Because even at its worst, Modern DB at least resembles the franchise, which Evolution does not. And that's my point. I'd rather have bad Dragon Ball than something completely different that has the DB name slapped on it.
The problem with Evolution is that the people who worked on it didn't know or care about DB (they said this themselves) and they had no budget to work with.
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Tai Lung wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:21 pm
make a movie of dragon ball live action is very difficult because of the fantastic and very different world that the series has so it is that that only the animation could do and taking into account how popular the series in other countries so could be an adaptation of DB as series or movie with cartoon style

Do you think the style would fit or not? Could they capture the essence of the series?

I love how Yajirobe looks in this redesign. Other than that no.
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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by PremiumSalt » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:17 pm

sintzu wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:10 pm
PremiumSalt wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:07 pm
I'd take even the worst aspects of Modern DB over, say, DB Evolution any day of the week. Because even at its worst, Modern DB at least resembles the franchise, which Evolution does not. And that's my point. I'd rather have bad Dragon Ball than something completely different that has the DB name slapped on it.
The problem with Evolution is that the people who worked on it didn't know or care about DB (they said this themselves) and they had no budget to work with.
You're right, and that's the thing. I doubt there are many people working in Hollywood right now who "get" Dragon Ball. The best we'd get would probably someone who watched the Z dub back in the day on Toonami, and that's their entire exposure to the franchise. And frankly, I have no interest in seeing a DB film from someone like that.
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Kunzait_83 wrote:No matter what twisted pretzel logic you contort yourself into to try and convince yourself otherwise, Raditz landing on Earth is the middle of the fucking story. Zero context, zero setup. Its in NO way meant to be seen as a "beginning point" for ANYTHING other than the next story arc. It flows precisely and fluidly from where things left off in the aftermath of the 23rd Budokai and mostly hits the ground running from there without really stopping to look back. You're plopping someone into the middle of a book starting at chapter 195 out of 519 for absolutely no good goddamn reason, with very minimal opportunity to look back at much needed context and character/story growth.

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Post by JulieYBM » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:41 pm

I have zero interest in what your run-of-the-mill Hollywood animation person thinks and feels about Dragon Ball.
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Post by Gligarman » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:46 pm

So...just so I'm clear...this isn't a cartoon?

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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by Tai Lung » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:58 pm

sintzu wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:35 pm
DragonBallFoodie wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:05 pm
It was a cartoon series. One of the most famous in anime history.
I think the topic is about it being an American style cartoon series.
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:09 pm
Quite frankly no, because i think it has worked best as an anime and would never lend itself well in terms of the Western style of animation commonly used here in the U.S. Interestingly enough, that very thing was almost very nearly done to Sailor Moon back in around 1993 or 1994 by a company called Toon Makers before it ended up getting handed to DiC who just dubbed the original anime proper. It seems a test pilot pitch of this Americanized interpretation was made but then rejected, another thing i can think of along the same lines was when Speed Racer was given it's own original show known as Speed Racer: The New Adventures also in 1993 that had almost nothing to do with the original Mach Go Go Go/Speed series produced by Speed Racer Enterprises and Fred Wolf Films, the animation company behind the original 1987-1996 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon. However, this version was entirely independently produced by them apart from originating studio Tatsunoko Productions and apparently it was not authorized by them either. Those are some notable examples of Japanese animated shows being or at least attempted to be adapted into standard Western animated series like you would see on our side of the world.

Here's an article about the failed lost Americanization of Sailor Moon, and boy does it look horrible like a quasi almost Jem and the Holograms clone mishmashed with several other shows including elements of Power Rangers.

https://lostmediaarchive.fandom.com/wik ... n_Pilot%29
well it work with astro boy maybe ..
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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by Grimlock » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:02 pm

If it were done by the same people behind Avatar or Ben 10, yeah, I think so. It would actually be better, story-wise speaking.

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:27 pm

Grimlock wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:02 pm
If it were done by the same people behind Avatar or Ben 10, yeah, I think so. It would actually be better, story-wise speaking.
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19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same. :lol:

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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by Kuwabara » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:52 pm

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:27 pm
Grimlock wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:02 pm
If it were done by the same people behind Avatar or Ben 10, yeah, I think so. It would actually be better, story-wise speaking.
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I've heard worse ideas, certain people who worked on Avatar could work pretty well with Dragon Ball material. Aaron Ehasz writing, with direction from Joaquim Dos Santos, doesn't sound bad honestly. Mike and Bryan are a little more hit or miss (especially with Korra), though even they at least have knowledge of martial arts and have a good advisor in Sifu Kisu.

Can't speak for Ben 10, never watched any of those series.
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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:05 pm

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:27 pm
Grimlock wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:02 pm
If it were done by the same people behind Avatar or Ben 10, yeah, I think so. It would actually be better, story-wise speaking.
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I can't speak to Ben 10, but Avatar's storytelling, character development, and combat is head and shoulders so much better than Dragon Ball's it's almost unfair to compare them.
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DragonBallFoodie wrote:
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It was a cartoon series. One of the most famous in anime history.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:18 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:05 pm
Cure Dragon 255 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:27 pm
Grimlock wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:02 pm
If it were done by the same people behind Avatar or Ben 10, yeah, I think so. It would actually be better, story-wise speaking.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh you were serious...

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I can't speak to Ben 10, but Avatar's storytelling, character development, and combat is head and shoulders so much better than Dragon Ball's it's almost unfair to compare them.
I love you Gaffer Tape but I thought you of ALL people would know better than to just put a franchise into some overrated writers hands and expect quality. Sure, Ben 10 had the late Dwayne McDuffie who had the herculean task of making Ben 10 more mature and palatable and ACTUALLY SUCCEEDING, creating a Billion dollar franchise. But Bryke? Lauren Montgomery? Joaquim Dos Santos? Their writing is the plague incarnatel. To be avoided at all costs. Sorry but I doubt they'd do Dragon Ball Justice. You and other may not like how Dragon Ball is right now but I thought you of all people would know better.

Maybe Kunzait is the one. The one knows better than to just drop a franchise into some writers lap and expect quality.
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19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same. :lol:

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Re: DB could work as Cartoon Series?

Post by Gligarman » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:56 pm

This mentality of everything needing some sort of modern update is the reason why we keep getting remakes and live-action adaptations that no one asked for. Dragon Ball was damn near perfect as a manga and obviously popular as an anime. Why fix what isn't broken?

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