Exploring the lore
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Exploring the lore
Rewatchin original DragonBall and DBZ, I've started tons of potential Toriyama had for exploring the lore. Various "what-ifs" is it just me or what you people think?
Ex: Nameless Namekians origin story...from what prompted his departure from Namek to Earth, who were his parents (Kataz) and incidents which planted evil seeds in his heart/minds which later manifested as evil Daimou
Or Mutaito-Sama's origin?
Or Babidi & Dabura's backstory as well as most of his minions
Ex: Nameless Namekians origin story...from what prompted his departure from Namek to Earth, who were his parents (Kataz) and incidents which planted evil seeds in his heart/minds which later manifested as evil Daimou
Or Mutaito-Sama's origin?
Or Babidi & Dabura's backstory as well as most of his minions
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Oh lord with the "P" word. It's not lore that people care about, it's not what drove people to watch, and it's not what keeps people coming back. Everyone has a history, but most of it isn't very interesting. It's the story that people care about.
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Not everything needs to be overly explain in detail.
See Rowling’s constant “expanding on the lore” for Harry Potter as the prime exampls
Not important and doesn’t add anythingEx: Nameless Namekians origin story...from what prompted his departure from Namek to Earth, who were his parents (Kataz) and incidents which planted evil seeds in his heart/minds which later manifested as evil Daimaou
He’s a martial artist.Or Mutaito-Sama's origin?
Demons.Or Babidi & Dabura's backstory as well as most of his minions
Bobbodi is an evil wizard whose dad really liked Disney’s Cinderella
Dabra is a demon that Bobbidi made more powerful .
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Thanks to Dimps that made him a more interesting character, it would be nice to explore more of him. Just what the heck means being the ruler of the Demon Realm. Since we're already there, tell us about Makaio and Makaioshin. Tell us the role Demon Realm fulfill to the Universe, the so-called antithesis to the Kaioshin realm. And don't forget to (re)introduce his sister.
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Seems ur content with whatever thrown at without slightest detailing or depth. Its a fictional tale loosely based upon an ancient myth after all. Still, Toriyama crafted a world populated with such immensely likable characters & a little fleshed-out tale would've been great...considerin how we're discussin a series 3 decades old...a testament to its dormant staying powerMasenkoHA wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:29 pmNot everything needs to be overly explain in detail.
See Rowling’s constant “expanding on the lore” for Harry Potter as the prime exampls
Not important and doesn’t add anythingEx: Nameless Namekians origin story...from what prompted his departure from Namek to Earth, who were his parents (Kataz) and incidents which planted evil seeds in his heart/minds which later manifested as evil Daimaou
He’s a martial artist.Or Mutaito-Sama's origin?
Demons.Or Babidi & Dabura's backstory as well as most of his minions
Bobbodi is an evil wizard whose dad really liked Disney’s Cinderella
Dabra is a demon that Bobbidi made more powerful .
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Spending too much time on backstory doesn't add depth. The tale is fleshed out primarily through story, not backstory.
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also that stuff is talked about in the series, well everything besides his name. his parents sent him off because of the abnormal weather or whatever, and most humans not being pure of heart give birth to a evil side of him. and like that stuff is better left unexplained i think, we don't need to know everything about everything.
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Some things are better left to the imagination. We know in essence where the child of Katatsu came from, why he came to Earth, and where the tiniest bit of evil he had came from. Seeing exactly how that all happened is asking for disappointment.
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When it comes to bullet point representations of historical events, the events themselves, as outlined in said bullet points, don't really have any more or less "potential" storytelling merit than any other ones. I don't think any bit of backstory is "too important not to show", nor do I think any bit of backstory is strictly "better left to the imagination".
It all depends on who is telling the story, and how they tell it. Toriyama is the one whose storytelling made Dragon Ball, well, even a thing. He's not the only one I would trust to write a Dragon Ball story, but he's the only one who has written Dragon Ball stories who could say they're writing another and make me care. I don't care what sort of fanservice-y plot points they want to cover, if they haven't already demonstrated some genuine chops, I'm sleeping.
You could tell me "they're making a new Dragon Ball story about Bacterian's life", and while that would be an odd choice, if you were to also tell me that Naoki Urasawa was writing it? I'm sold. Day one purchase. A gifted storyteller can make any premise shine. You could tell me "they're making a new Dragon Ball story about Piccolo Daimao's original rampage", and while that would pique my interest, following it up with "and it's gonna be written by Oda" would dampen that immediately. No premise is guaranteed to shine in the hands of anyone you give it to, on the merit of its premise alone.
That's not to say that even the most talented people are perfect, or anything. Just that they're probably a better indicator of something's "potential" than its raw premise.
In other words, expand on all the lore you want, but at least make it worthwhile by letting other actual talent have their take on Dragon Ball, because expanding the lore alone is not worthwhile.
It all depends on who is telling the story, and how they tell it. Toriyama is the one whose storytelling made Dragon Ball, well, even a thing. He's not the only one I would trust to write a Dragon Ball story, but he's the only one who has written Dragon Ball stories who could say they're writing another and make me care. I don't care what sort of fanservice-y plot points they want to cover, if they haven't already demonstrated some genuine chops, I'm sleeping.
You could tell me "they're making a new Dragon Ball story about Bacterian's life", and while that would be an odd choice, if you were to also tell me that Naoki Urasawa was writing it? I'm sold. Day one purchase. A gifted storyteller can make any premise shine. You could tell me "they're making a new Dragon Ball story about Piccolo Daimao's original rampage", and while that would pique my interest, following it up with "and it's gonna be written by Oda" would dampen that immediately. No premise is guaranteed to shine in the hands of anyone you give it to, on the merit of its premise alone.
That's not to say that even the most talented people are perfect, or anything. Just that they're probably a better indicator of something's "potential" than its raw premise.
In other words, expand on all the lore you want, but at least make it worthwhile by letting other actual talent have their take on Dragon Ball, because expanding the lore alone is not worthwhile.
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Stuff like how Hannibal Lecter became a cannibal was always bound to be a disappointment. Rarely are prequels good. For every Better Call Saul (even parts of that show have me a little weary), there is a multitude of truly awful prequel stories. What story could possibly suffice to explain what made The Joker who he is? Yes, execution matters but even a gifted storyteller at the helm is hardly a guarantee of a good story and telling the story of how something came to be when we already know where they went almost always ends in disappointment because prequels are about worldbuilding and lore and hitting plot points by their nature.Zephyr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:39 pm When it comes to bullet point representations of historical events, the events themselves, as outlined in said bullet points, don't really have any more or less "potential" storytelling merit than any other ones. I don't think any bit of backstory is "too important not to show", nor do I think any bit of backstory is strictly "better left to the imagination".
It all depends on who is telling the story, and how they tell it. Toriyama is the one whose storytelling made Dragon Ball, well, even a thing. He's not the only one I would trust to write a Dragon Ball story, but he's the only one who has written Dragon Ball stories who could say they're writing another and make me care. I don't care what sort of fanservice-y plot points they want to cover, if they haven't already demonstrated some genuine chops, I'm sleeping.
You could tell me "they're making a new Dragon Ball story about Bacterian's life", and while that would be an odd choice, if you were to also tell me that Naoki Urasawa was writing it? I'm sold. Day one purchase. A gifted storyteller can make any premise shine. You could tell me "they're making a new Dragon Ball story about Piccolo Daimao's original rampage", and while that would pique my interest, following it up with "and it's gonna be written by Oda" would dampen that immediately. No premise is guaranteed to shine in the hands of anyone you give it to, on the merit of its premise alone.
That's not to say that even the most talented people are perfect, or anything. Just that they're probably a better indicator of something's "potential" than its raw premise.
In other words, expand on all the lore you want, but at least make it worthwhile by letting other actual talent have their take on Dragon Ball, because expanding the lore alone is not worthwhile.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Who did they get to write those stories?