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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by PhoenixEX » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:39 am

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Is Toei really in any position to be concerned about this?
I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or not.
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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by WittyUsername » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:46 am

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Is Toei really in any position to be concerned about this?
I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or not.
Why would I be joking? As I have already said, Toei most certainly does not have a clean track record when it comes to the kinds of jokes they put into their shows aimed at kids. This is the same company that made Dragon Ball’s token gay character a pedophile for laughs. The same company that just fairly recently had Roshi attempting to force himself onto a terrified woman for laughs. The same company that did all kinds of creepy things with Pan in GT.

The bottom line is that Toei is most certainly not a squeaky clean company. So any concern they would theoretically have with some leaked outtakes that were never meant to be heard by the public would be extremely hypocritical.

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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by EXBadguy » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:48 am

Regarding the gay/sex/porn jokes though, I think that if they did it today with Super, then there would've been more of an uproar. Those outtakes were done in the late 90s and/or early 2000s, where less people were offended and where Family Guy was at its prime with gay jokes all around (the creators say that now they're phasing out on the gay jokes). Again, some of those outtakes were tasteless at best and I do hope the VAs look back and cringe at how dumb they were for doing that, but again, those were different times.

Again, VAs goofing off has nothing to do with Dicknogna doing what he did!
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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by jjgp1112 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:48 am

Reading the tweets about it, it's hilarious how disingenuously outraged the Vic folks are acting about it. Incredibly transparent.

I doubt Toei cares much about Funimation voice actors goofing off in outtakes that were maliciously leaked without their permission.
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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by ABED » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:50 am

For the record, if you look for hypocrisy, I don't think you should look to decades old examples. People change, companies change, times change. I don't know anything about Eddie Murphy's personal views, but I wouldn't hold his very bigoted jokes in Delirious against him today.

I doubt Toei cares about any of this at all.
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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

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For the record, if you look for hypocrisy, I don't think you should look to decades old examples. People change, companies change, times change.

I doubt Toei cares about any of this at all.
This (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=syViEw1EWQ0) is not decades old.

Anyway, how long ago were those leaked outtakes recorded?

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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by ABED » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:54 am

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Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:53 am
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:50 am
For the record, if you look for hypocrisy, I don't think you should look to decades old examples. People change, companies change, times change.

I doubt Toei cares about any of this at all.
This (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=syViEw1EWQ0) is not decades old.

Anyway, how long ago were those leaked outtakes recorded?
And you make a good point with the Super example, but GT and General Blue were two to three decades ago.
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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by PhoenixEX » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:54 am

Either way I definitely believe that Sean Schemmel should put out a statement saying that what he said was years ago and that he's in no way a homophobe. I'll, without a doubt, forgive the guy if he were to due something like that to clear the air. A lot of celebrities have done it regarding their questionable tweets from decades ago explaining that they were just joking around, Sean should be no exception.

Regardless, I don't think anyone will get fired over this, nor should they. Unlike Vic, no one was harmed recording these audio clips. TOEI knows that the English VA's (really only Sean and Chris) are a huge reason as to why people still watch the dub.. there's no way they'll want to hurt their cash cow.
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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by jjgp1112 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:55 am

WittyUsername wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:53 am
ABED wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:50 am
For the record, if you look for hypocrisy, I don't think you should look to decades old examples. People change, companies change, times change.

I doubt Toei cares about any of this at all.
This (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=syViEw1EWQ0) is not decades old.

Anyway, how long ago were those leaked outtakes recorded?
They were from the original run of Z. There's one clip of Sabat goofing off as just about every character he plays and he's doing a 99/00-era surfer bro take as Yamcha. Plus the google files are labeled.

The thing that's killing me in all of the reactions on YouTube and Twitter is the leap in logic from offensive jokes to sexual harassment. These guys have brain injuries.
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
Bulma: Of course! I'm not gonna pull a Frieza and screw it up!
Master Roshi: Bulma, I think Frieza failed because he wore too many clothes!
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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by ZeroNeonix » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:02 pm

ABED wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:50 am
For the record, if you look for hypocrisy, I don't think you should look to decades old examples. People change, companies change, times change. I don't know anything about Eddie Murphy's personal views, but I wouldn't hold his very bigoted jokes in Delirious against him today.

I doubt Toei cares about any of this at all.
Exactly. If these people still had these attitudes, it should be no problem at all finding recent examples of this behavior. In the 90s, things were very different. Many people who were bigoted back then have seen the error of their ways and changed their minds, including myself. You can't even get away with using a ten-year-old source in a college paper, but people think they can dig up twenty-year-old comments and make conclusions about a person's current attitudes.

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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by WittyUsername » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:04 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:55 am
WittyUsername wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:53 am
ABED wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:50 am
For the record, if you look for hypocrisy, I don't think you should look to decades old examples. People change, companies change, times change.

I doubt Toei cares about any of this at all.
This (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=syViEw1EWQ0) is not decades old.

Anyway, how long ago were those leaked outtakes recorded?
They were from the original run of Z. There's one clip of Sabat goofing off as just about every character he plays and he's doing a 99/00-era surfer bro take as Yamcha. Plus the google files are labeled.

The thing that's killing me in all of the reactions on YouTube and Twitter is the leap in logic from offensive jokes to sexual harassment. These guys have brain injuries.
That long ago? These people really are desperate. People like Monica Rial and Jamie Marchi (the ones Mignogna is actually suing) weren’t even involved in the initial run of Z.

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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by LostTimeLord » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:46 pm

I'm just amazed that one of the leaks is a four minute audio drama, complete with Faulconer music and sound design, where a bunch of Chris Sabat characters have an orgy. I'm not making that up.

I can't imagine anyone involved is happy about these getting out because the humour's so crude and juvenile, but I also assume that being shocking was the point and they wouldn't have expected it to leave the room. The Chi-Chi one is clearly Cynthia Cranz realising how her half-asleep voice sounds out of context and going with it. The outtakes on the One Piece DVDs have similar, but less explicit, humour.

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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by Mosaic » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:48 pm

This doesn't surprise me for a number of reasons.

1. This type of humor is unfortunately kind of common with voice actors. There's a certain voice actor who tours around showing dub outtakes, and they're almost entirely homophobic jokes. No, the word "faggot" is never used, but there's a lot of juvenile humor that attacks gay men.

2. Sean is a tool. He's always been an obnoxious dude. I'm sure he's said much worse.

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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by Zinnia » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:52 pm

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The same company that did all kinds of creepy things with Pan in GT.
That used to be a part of Japanese's humor back then. It's not like they ever showed her naked or anything, the Dolltaki scenes were always cut short. DB could show Kid Goku naked all the time, so it's not like Pan was exclusive for these kind of jokes anyway.

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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by WittyUsername » Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:55 pm

LostTimeLord wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:46 pm
I'm just amazed that one of the leaks is a four minute audio drama, complete with Faulconer music and sound design, where a bunch of Chris Sabat characters have an orgy. I'm not making that up.

I can't imagine anyone involved is happy about these getting out because the humour's so crude and juvenile, but I also assume that being shocking was the point and they wouldn't have expected it to leave the room. The Chi-Chi one is clearly Cynthia Cranz realising how her half-asleep voice sounds out of context and going with it. The outtakes on the One Piece DVDs have similar, but less explicit, humour.
They were definitely trying to be shocking. Shock humor was everywhere in the 90s and the 2000s. That was pretty much what the entirety of early South Park consisted of. I guess the Vic fans think FUNimation is full of a bunch of “SJWs” who fired Mignogna for a few jokes he made, so they think digging up dirt on the company to expose any supposed hypocrisy will help his case. Either that or they’re so vindictive that they’re willing to sink an entire industry just so they can avenge some voice actor who got fired.

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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by TheBlackPaladin » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:00 pm

Toei will not have any concern about this--or, at the very most, not enough for there to be any repercussions about it from them. Toei is not a US company, after all, it's a Japanese company. Japan isn't experiencing a surge of super-PC attitude like this country is, and between their culture, their values, and their history, they are simply not at all offended by most of the things that would offend people in the US. That's not to say there might not be repercussions from FUNimation towards the voice actors in question, but quite frankly, I think even that's pushing it.

As far as Sean Schemmel's use of the word "faggot"...look, if it were me, I wouldn't have used that term, and I think there's a case to be made that he should put out a statement clarifying his beliefs, but there are two things to note here:

1) There already was another blooper years ago from the English dub of Berserker in which he used that word, and that was part of the blooper reel put out as part of the official release. So this is nothing new.

2) His father is gay. Combine that with the fact that he has been vocal in the past about same-sex marriage rights, and I don't think his use of the term is coming from any place of sincere malice. Not saying that makes it OK, but context means a lot, and saying something over-the-top and shocking to make somebody laugh in the context of a blooper is not the same as sincerely believing something.

All that to say, this'll blow over.
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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by ABED » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:01 pm

Zinnia wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:52 pm
WittyUsername wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:46 am
The same company that did all kinds of creepy things with Pan in GT.
That used to be a part of Japanese's humor back then. It's not like they ever showed her naked or anything, the Dolltaki scenes were always cut short. DB could show Kid Goku naked all the time, so it's not like Pan was exclusive for these kind of jokes anyway.
Different context. Goku's nudity wasn't sexual. Dolltaki was going to remove her clothes.

And this is the kind of humor that is common with people working on kids shows. Puppeteers on children's shows often make crude jokes when the cameras are off.
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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by Zinnia » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:34 pm

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Different context. Goku's nudity wasn't sexual. Dolltaki was going to remove her clothes.
She was a little doll though, so it's not like he'd see anything besides her skin.
And all he wanted was to change her shirt, not remove it permanently anyway. I feel like that random deer invaded her privacy more :lol:

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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by gokaiblue » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:40 pm

What people need to realize is that these clips come from a different Funimation. The Funimation of 90s to early 00s is not the same Funimation we know today. Heck, that contract I keep on seeing cited might not have even been the contract the cast signed originally.

Voice actors do this all the time, it's nothing new.
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Re: Funimation Leaked Outtakes

Post by WittyUsername » Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:50 pm

God, it’s a really good thing that South Park has a lot of conservative fans, and that Trey Parker and Matt Stone are Republicans. If these ISWV people held them to the same standard they’ve been holding people like James Gunn and some FUNimation voice actors, then South Park would be in a lot of trouble right now.

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