MetaMoss wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:47 pm
To restate a point I've made earlier, if a bunch of separate people are telling you you're coming off as an asshole, and you're really not intending to, perhaps it's time to reconsider the tone your posts are actually conveying?
Noted. For serious.
MetaMoss wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:47 pm
TheBigBoy was just recounting their personal
experience with Dragon Ball back in the 90s: nothing more, nothing less. Yes, their perspective on the whole fandom at the time is limited, but I'm not seeing where they claim otherwise. There's certainly a place to have a discussion about what the larger Dragon Ball and anime fandoms looked like before Toonami, and I'm personally interested in learning and understanding that history, because I do enjoy learning that sort of thing. But this ain't it.
Honestly, how do you think a point-to-point debunking of someone, showing how they're wrong about something they never even claimed to be right
about, is going to come across as?
To further clarify: the intent of the post wasn't "Fuck you and your childhood experiences BigBoy!" His post stuck out to me because he rather perfectly and clearly expressed what are fundamentally the emotional root of where a GREAT majority of the fanbase's weird misreadings of basic history for the franchise - and its native medium - often come from (including often from well established and notable voices within the community who otherwise make it a point to do their research and come correct with facts usually in most other cases), and one that's frequently made explicit within this community: "This was what I personally experienced as a small kid with limited contact and communication with others, ergo I'm going to on some level assume that this is what it was like everywhere
(or at least for MOST people more so than not)."
It was less to do with BigBoy himself specifically than it was the bigger overarching theme of the mindset he was describing.
ABED wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:58 pm
I can't speak for BigBoy, but I did have the internet back then and while Kunzait is right that DB had a significant web presence back then, and while I'm sure DB was popular, it was still nothing like it became in 1999. I remember knowing there was an online fanbase and knowing people watched anime, I didn't know anyone or see anyone wearing DB merch or talking about it until it started airing on CN. I went "Oh, I'm not alone!"
Of course it wasn't like it became in 1999: the main audience for it (within the West that is) MASSIVELY shifted at that point. There's a definite difference between something being very popular among a relatively older audience who are into wider-ranging media as a whole (which anime in general was prior to that point) and something being very popular among the Happy Meal set.
Still, while it was relatively/proportionally easier back then to find DB fans online, it certainly wasn't in any which way impossible
to find them IRL either, provided you lived in more populated urban areas at least.
Its honestly like comparing the audience for classic Jackie Chan films to the audience for Power Rangers: the latter are going to be MUCH younger and in MUCH greater numerical abundance overall, and there generally isn't usually a HUGE degree of overlap between the two in most cases. That doesn't make the former audience either ridiculously small nor impossible to come across anywhere (be it online or IRL): it just means you're not going to come across them in every other household in Mom & Pop Middle America Suburbia and whatnot (and Mom & Pop Middle America Suburbia, while significant, also isn't the be-all, end-all of what makes something culturally significant or noteworthy in its popularity).
TheBigBoy wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:40 pm
No offense Kunzait, but you come off like a fucking psycho.
But like I said before, I'll take MetaMoss' prior post(s) to heart going forward.
Kunzait's Wuxia Thread
Journey to the West, chapter 26 wrote:The strong man will meet someone stronger still:
Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.