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Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Hulk10 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:31 pm

I feel weird saying this but given the nature of SSJ4 I don't know if a form beyond it would be necessary. Given that it draws out the Saiyan's full potential at the moment they use the form. So there doesn't seem to be much reason for a Saiyan to achieve a more advanced Super Saiyan 4 form.
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Hulk10 wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:31 pm
I feel weird saying this but given the nature of SSJ4 I don't know if a form beyond it would be necessary.
Why is this a thread?

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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Grimlock » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:19 am

He likes to create these kind of threads, without providing much.

Anyway, pretty sure I've seen an "advanced Super Saiyan 4" out there. I think some games consider that Super Saiyan 4 Goku glowing red to be an advanced state.
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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by sunsetshimmer » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:15 am

Grimlock wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:19 am
He likes to create these kind of threads, without providing much.

Anyway, pretty sure I've seen an "advanced Super Saiyan 4" out there. I think some games consider that Super Saiyan 4 Goku glowing red to be an advanced state.
Goku glowing red was simply Goku SSJ4 at his full power which was never seen before because he was near death when he turned SSJ4 for the first time.

Super Full Power Saiyan 4 is actually a state above SSJ4. While SSJ4 brings your power to absolute limit, SFPS4 goes beyond that limit but it's only possible if you get additional power since your power can't be any higher on its own.
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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Hulk10 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:07 pm

sunsetshimmer wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:15 am
Grimlock wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:19 am
He likes to create these kind of threads, without providing much.

Anyway, pretty sure I've seen an "advanced Super Saiyan 4" out there. I think some games consider that Super Saiyan 4 Goku glowing red to be an advanced state.
Goku glowing red was simply Goku SSJ4 at his full power which was never seen before because he was near death when he turned SSJ4 for the first time.

Super Full Power Saiyan 4 is actually a state above SSJ4. While SSJ4 brings your power to absolute limit, SFPS4 goes beyond that limit but it's only possible if you get additional power since your power can't be any higher on its own.
We have only seen if activated by Goku we don't know if it can be accessed without help. There is a chance that the user can use it on their own without help.
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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Vijay » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:10 pm

Grimlock wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:19 am
He likes to create these kind of threads, without providing much.

Anyway, pretty sure I've seen an "advanced Super Saiyan 4" out there. I think some games consider that Super Saiyan 4 Goku glowing red to be an advanced state.
I lost it at he likes to create these kind of threads🤣🤣🤣

We had Full-Powered SSJ4 in Baby Arc. Dats when Goku had red aura. Which is considered vastly advanced or insane...considering how @ FP, SSJ4 Goku was able to actually absorb Oozaru Baby's finisher Revenge Death Ball without taking any damage...

Then in Shadow Dragons Arc, we got Chou Ultra Furu Powa SSJ4 Goku..gosh the names😖😵 Goku was revived by his fellow Saiyajins and roflstomped Syn Shenron...who previously roflstomped SSJ4 Goku...

These are quite advanced stages. So there ya go. Thus far, we've had Full Power SSJ4 & Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4

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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Hulk10 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:13 pm

Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:10 pm
Grimlock wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:19 am
He likes to create these kind of threads, without providing much.

Anyway, pretty sure I've seen an "advanced Super Saiyan 4" out there. I think some games consider that Super Saiyan 4 Goku glowing red to be an advanced state.
I lost it at he likes to create these kind of threads🤣🤣🤣

We had Full-Powered SSJ4 in Baby Arc. Dats when Goku had red aura. Which is considered vastly advanced or insane...considering how @ FP, SSJ4 Goku was able to actually absorb Oozaru Baby's finisher Revenge Death Ball without taking any damage...

Then in Shadow Dragons Arc, we got Chou Ultra Furu Powa SSJ4 Goku..gosh the names😖😵 Goku was revived by his fellow Saiyajins and roflstomped Syn Shenron...who previously roflstomped SSJ4 Goku...

These are quite advanced stages. So there ya go. Thus far, we've had Full Power SSJ4 & Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4
Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4? What is that?
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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Vijay » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:25 pm

Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:13 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:10 pm
Grimlock wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:19 am
He likes to create these kind of threads, without providing much.

Anyway, pretty sure I've seen an "advanced Super Saiyan 4" out there. I think some games consider that Super Saiyan 4 Goku glowing red to be an advanced state.
I lost it at he likes to create these kind of threads🤣🤣🤣

We had Full-Powered SSJ4 in Baby Arc. Dats when Goku had red aura. Which is considered vastly advanced or insane...considering how @ FP, SSJ4 Goku was able to actually absorb Oozaru Baby's finisher Revenge Death Ball without taking any damage...

Then in Shadow Dragons Arc, we got Chou Ultra Furu Powa SSJ4 Goku..gosh the names😖😵 Goku was revived by his fellow Saiyajins and roflstomped Syn Shenron...who previously roflstomped SSJ4 Goku...

These are quite advanced stages. So there ya go. Thus far, we've had Full Power SSJ4 & Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4
Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4? What is that?
Dude..you crack me up🤣🤣🤣maybe the way you asked me I guess...

It's what Goku said in original Jap version when Goku was preparing for Round 2 against Syn Shenron.

You heard of Ultra Super Saiyan? USSJ Trunks in Cell Saga?

Chou roughly tanslates to Super. Super Saiyajin or Chou Saiyajin (Frieza once said this waay back in Namek Arc)

So basically, Super Ultra Full Power SSJ4

There ya go fella😂😂😂

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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Hulk10 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:27 pm

Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:25 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:13 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:10 pm


I lost it at he likes to create these kind of threads🤣🤣🤣

We had Full-Powered SSJ4 in Baby Arc. Dats when Goku had red aura. Which is considered vastly advanced or insane...considering how @ FP, SSJ4 Goku was able to actually absorb Oozaru Baby's finisher Revenge Death Ball without taking any damage...

Then in Shadow Dragons Arc, we got Chou Ultra Furu Powa SSJ4 Goku..gosh the names😖😵 Goku was revived by his fellow Saiyajins and roflstomped Syn Shenron...who previously roflstomped SSJ4 Goku...

These are quite advanced stages. So there ya go. Thus far, we've had Full Power SSJ4 & Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4
Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4? What is that?
Dude..you crack me up🤣🤣🤣maybe the way you asked me I guess...

It's what Goku said in original Jap version when Goku was preparing for Round 2 against Syn Shenron.

You heard of Ultra Super Saiyan? USSJ Trunks in Cell Saga?

Chou roughly tanslates to Super. Super Saiyajin or Chou Saiyajin (Frieza once said this waay back in Namek Arc)

So basically, Super Ultra Full Power SSJ4

There ya go fella😂😂😂
So your referring to Broly's version of the form?
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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Vijay » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:38 pm

Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:27 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:25 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:13 pm


Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4? What is that?
Dude..you crack me up🤣🤣🤣maybe the way you asked me I guess...

It's what Goku said in original Jap version when Goku was preparing for Round 2 against Syn Shenron.

You heard of Ultra Super Saiyan? USSJ Trunks in Cell Saga?

Chou roughly tanslates to Super. Super Saiyajin or Chou Saiyajin (Frieza once said this waay back in Namek Arc)

So basically, Super Ultra Full Power SSJ4

There ya go fella😂😂😂
So your referring to Broly's version of the form?
I was talkin abt Goku all along dude🤣🤣🤣

But if ur askin me abt Broly..Broly is an unique case lol.

This is pure speculation. But Broly has always shown tremendous power towering over regular ascended states like...M8 Broly was lion going-up against antelopes. M10 LSSJ Broly surpassed SSJ2 Gohan

As such...SSJ4 Broly should obviously be at Chou Ultra Full Power at minimum. This is my opinion. Others could have their own interpretations.

What u think?

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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Hulk10 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:47 pm

Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:38 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:27 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:25 pm

Dude..you crack me up🤣🤣🤣maybe the way you asked me I guess...

It's what Goku said in original Jap version when Goku was preparing for Round 2 against Syn Shenron.

You heard of Ultra Super Saiyan? USSJ Trunks in Cell Saga?

Chou roughly tanslates to Super. Super Saiyajin or Chou Saiyajin (Frieza once said this waay back in Namek Arc)

So basically, Super Ultra Full Power SSJ4

There ya go fella😂😂😂
So your referring to Broly's version of the form?
I was talkin abt Goku all along dude🤣🤣🤣

But if ur askin me abt Broly..Broly is an unique case lol.

This is pure speculation. But Broly has always shown tremendous power towering over regular ascended states like...M8 Broly was lion going-up against antelopes. M10 LSSJ Broly surpassed SSJ2 Gohan

As such...SSJ4 Broly should obviously be at Chou Ultra Full Power at minimum. This is my opinion. Others could have their own interpretations.

What u think?
I'd say he would be a whole lot more powerful. His legendary forms are not ascended states of normal forms, they are enhanced versions of normal ones.
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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Vijay » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:05 pm

Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:47 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:38 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:27 pm


So your referring to Broly's version of the form?
I was talkin abt Goku all along dude🤣🤣🤣

But if ur askin me abt Broly..Broly is an unique case lol.

This is pure speculation. But Broly has always shown tremendous power towering over regular ascended states like...M8 Broly was lion going-up against antelopes. M10 LSSJ Broly surpassed SSJ2 Gohan

As such...SSJ4 Broly should obviously be at Chou Ultra Full Power at minimum. This is my opinion. Others could have their own interpretations.

What u think?
I'd say he would be a whole lot more powerful. His legendary forms are not ascended states of normal forms, they are enhanced versions of normal ones.
Yeah, dats what I meant.

Broly's SSJ2 would most likely outstrip most SSJ2-tiers. Hell, would even surpass SSJ3

Likewise, his SSJ4 should be no different. He'll be in a whole different league. Maybe even as strong as Omega Shenron. Who knows?

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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Hulk10 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:14 pm

Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:05 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:47 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:38 pm

I was talkin abt Goku all along dude🤣🤣🤣

But if ur askin me abt Broly..Broly is an unique case lol.

This is pure speculation. But Broly has always shown tremendous power towering over regular ascended states like...M8 Broly was lion going-up against antelopes. M10 LSSJ Broly surpassed SSJ2 Gohan

As such...SSJ4 Broly should obviously be at Chou Ultra Full Power at minimum. This is my opinion. Others could have their own interpretations.

What u think?
I'd say he would be a whole lot more powerful. His legendary forms are not ascended states of normal forms, they are enhanced versions of normal ones.
Yeah, dats what I meant.

Broly's SSJ2 would most likely outstrip most SSJ2-tiers. Hell, would even surpass SSJ3

Likewise, his SSJ4 should be no different. He'll be in a whole different league. Maybe even as strong as Omega Shenron. Who knows?
I'd say FAR stronger than Omega Shenron. Look at how strong Broly was in the DBS movie.
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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Vijay » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:26 pm

Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:14 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:05 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:47 pm


I'd say he would be a whole lot more powerful. His legendary forms are not ascended states of normal forms, they are enhanced versions of normal ones.
Yeah, dats what I meant.

Broly's SSJ2 would most likely outstrip most SSJ2-tiers. Hell, would even surpass SSJ3

Likewise, his SSJ4 should be no different. He'll be in a whole different league. Maybe even as strong as Omega Shenron. Who knows?
I'd say FAR stronger than Omega Shenron. Look at how strong Broly was in the DBS movie.
I don't know man. Yeah I know abt Broly in DBS...but I've washed my hands off DBS long time ago. I don't give a jack abt it anymore.

But I'd say lookin @ how effortlessly Omega trashed both SSJ4 Goku & Veggie, I'd say SSJ4 Broly capabilities should be able to display similar feats.

I'd like to see how Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4 Broly with further amped PL, say like absorbing powers of Saiyajins fare against SSJ4 Gogeta. Would be a sight to behold💥

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Post by Hulk10 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:29 pm

Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:26 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:14 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:05 pm

Yeah, dats what I meant.

Broly's SSJ2 would most likely outstrip most SSJ2-tiers. Hell, would even surpass SSJ3

Likewise, his SSJ4 should be no different. He'll be in a whole different league. Maybe even as strong as Omega Shenron. Who knows?
I'd say FAR stronger than Omega Shenron. Look at how strong Broly was in the DBS movie.
I don't know man. Yeah I know abt Broly in DBS...but I've washed my hands off DBS long time ago. I don't give a jack abt it anymore.

But I'd say lookin @ how effortlessly Omega trashed both SSJ4 Goku & Veggie, I'd say SSJ4 Broly capabilities should be able to display similar feats.

I'd like to see how Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4 Broly with further amped PL, say like absorbing powers of Saiyajins fare against SSJ4 Gogeta. Would be a sight to behold💥
I believe that Omega Shenron wouldn't stand a chance against SSJ4 Broly and I don't believe SSJ4 Broly would stand much of a chance against SSJ4 Gogeta.
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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Vijay » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:41 pm

Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:29 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:26 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:14 pm


I'd say FAR stronger than Omega Shenron. Look at how strong Broly was in the DBS movie.
I don't know man. Yeah I know abt Broly in DBS...but I've washed my hands off DBS long time ago. I don't give a jack abt it anymore.

But I'd say lookin @ how effortlessly Omega trashed both SSJ4 Goku & Veggie, I'd say SSJ4 Broly capabilities should be able to display similar feats.

I'd like to see how Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4 Broly with further amped PL, say like absorbing powers of Saiyajins fare against SSJ4 Gogeta. Would be a sight to behold💥
I believe that Omega Shenron wouldn't stand a chance against SSJ4 Broly and I don't believe SSJ4 Broly would stand much of a chance against SSJ4 Gogeta.
I doubt it. M8 LSSJ Broly's Eraser Canon blasted planet Shamo away like nothing....now think of it's destructive power if it's fired by SSJ4 Broly...gosh...no one but SSJ4 Gogeta would survive it's impact...and should Broly fire simultaneous shots with his barrier/shield protecting him...bye bye🤣🤣🤣

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Post by Hulk10 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:42 pm

Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:41 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:29 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:26 pm

I don't know man. Yeah I know abt Broly in DBS...but I've washed my hands off DBS long time ago. I don't give a jack abt it anymore.

But I'd say lookin @ how effortlessly Omega trashed both SSJ4 Goku & Veggie, I'd say SSJ4 Broly capabilities should be able to display similar feats.

I'd like to see how Chou Ultra Full Power SSJ4 Broly with further amped PL, say like absorbing powers of Saiyajins fare against SSJ4 Gogeta. Would be a sight to behold💥
I believe that Omega Shenron wouldn't stand a chance against SSJ4 Broly and I don't believe SSJ4 Broly would stand much of a chance against SSJ4 Gogeta.
I doubt it. M8 LSSJ Broly's Eraser Canon blasted planet Shamo away like nothing....now think of it's destructive power if it's fired by SSJ4 Broly...gosh...no one but SSJ4 Gogeta would survive it's impact...and should Broly fire simultaneous shots with his barrier/shield protecting him...bye bye🤣🤣🤣
I see that you agree that SSJ4 Gogeta would destroy SSJ4 Broly.
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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Vijay » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:50 pm

Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:42 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:41 pm
Hulk10 wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:29 pm


I believe that Omega Shenron wouldn't stand a chance against SSJ4 Broly and I don't believe SSJ4 Broly would stand much of a chance against SSJ4 Gogeta.
I doubt it. M8 LSSJ Broly's Eraser Canon blasted planet Shamo away like nothing....now think of it's destructive power if it's fired by SSJ4 Broly...gosh...no one but SSJ4 Gogeta would survive it's impact...and should Broly fire simultaneous shots with his barrier/shield protecting him...bye bye🤣🤣🤣
I see that you agree that SSJ4 Gogeta would destroy SSJ4 Broly.
All I'm saying is...I would like to watch an all-out battle between these 2 behemoths @ FP.

I don't play digits/multipliers. So I don't base my opinion by applyin numbers on those 2.

But gotta say this man. DBS Base Broly > Bluper SSJ > Kaioken SSJ > SSJ3

Hell, LSSJ Broly was equal to SSJ Gogeta & gave hard time in their "time dimension fight" that forced the latter to turn Bluper in order to gain an upper-hand.

If you look at it this way, there are possibilities of SSJ4 Broly surpassing or at bar minimum go toe-to-toe with SSJ4 Gogeta

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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by sunsetshimmer » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:00 pm

Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:10 pm
We had Full-Powered SSJ4 in Baby Arc. Dats when Goku had red aura. Which is considered vastly advanced or insane...considering how @ FP, SSJ4 Goku was able to actually absorb Oozaru Baby's finisher Revenge Death Ball without taking any damage...
Full-Powered SSJ4 is just SSJ4 Goku with all his power restored. It's not advanced state, it's how strong Goku SSJ4 is at full power. He was way stronger than before because Goku was almost dead when he turned SSJ4 for the first time which made him a lot weaker as SSJ4 than he should be. If Goku turned SSJ4 before fighting Baby on Tuffle planet then he would have the same power he had after Trunks, Goten, Gohan and Pan gave him their energy. But he got beaten by Baby and was barely moving.
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I'd say FAR stronger than Omega Shenron. Look at how strong Broly was in the DBS movie.
DBS Broly is far stronger than regular Broly tho. DBS Broly as SSJ4 would demolish everyone in GT&DBS with no excuses. Old Broly as SSJ4 would already be in absolute top tier in GT and DBS (considering his power changed since M10), let alone DBS version. I don't see even Gogeta SSJ4 beating DBS Broly SSJ4 considering Gogeta Blue was already needed to beat SSJ FP version of him.
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Re: Advanced SSJ4 forms.

Post by Hulk10 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:33 pm

sunsetshimmer wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:00 pm
Vijay wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:10 pm
We had Full-Powered SSJ4 in Baby Arc. Dats when Goku had red aura. Which is considered vastly advanced or insane...considering how @ FP, SSJ4 Goku was able to actually absorb Oozaru Baby's finisher Revenge Death Ball without taking any damage...
Full-Powered SSJ4 is just SSJ4 Goku with all his power restored. It's not advanced state, it's how strong Goku SSJ4 is at full power. He was way stronger than before because Goku was almost dead when he turned SSJ4 for the first time which made him a lot weaker as SSJ4 than he should be. If Goku turned SSJ4 before fighting Baby on Tuffle planet then he would have the same power he had after Trunks, Goten, Gohan and Pan gave him their energy. But he got beaten by Baby and was barely moving.
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:14 pm
I'd say FAR stronger than Omega Shenron. Look at how strong Broly was in the DBS movie.
DBS Broly is far stronger than regular Broly tho. DBS Broly as SSJ4 would demolish everyone in GT&DBS with no excuses. Old Broly as SSJ4 would already be in absolute top tier in GT and DBS (considering his power changed since M10), let alone DBS version. I don't see even Gogeta SSJ4 beating DBS Broly SSJ4 considering Gogeta Blue was already needed to beat SSJ FP version of him.
Your right about DBS Broly being stronger.
Hulk is strongest one there is. -Incredible Hulk

In the name of the mighty Legions of Predacons who preceded me I will never again bow to your charge! But I will heed your previous advice and face my true enemy AS A BEAST! -Predaking to Unicron controlled Megatron.

The arrogance of man is thinking that we are in control of our destiny. Let them fight. -Dr. Ishiro Serizawa to Admiral William Stenz.

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