What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by PhoenixEX » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:49 pm

I actually like Vic's take on Broly. Vic may not be a great human being but I'd argue that the man is a voice actor legend similar to Kevin Spacey in the acting business (even though he's also a shit human). Even better than Broly is his performance as Edward Elric in FMA. I'm going to have a hard time adjusting to whoever replaces Vic in future FMA material.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by ABED » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:26 pm

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I actually like Vic's take on Broly. Vic may not be a great human being but I'd argue that the man is a voice actor legend similar to Kevin Spacey in the acting business (even though he's also a shit human). Even better than Broly is his performance as Edward Elric in FMA. I'm going to have a hard time adjusting to whoever replaces Vic in future FMA material.
I doubt that comparison is true beyond them being sexual predators. He is in no way a legend in the voice acting community. Mel Blanc and Frank Welker, he's not.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

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I doubt that comparison is true beyond them being sexual predators. He is in no way a legend in the voice acting community. Mel Blanc and Frank Welker, he's not.
No... I'd say it's fairly comparable. At least, a lot of the #ISWV guys I talk to think he's a legend. The ones that are actually anime fans, and not just trolls,

Plus I've seen him listed on some "Top 10 Anime Voice Actor Lists" and all that.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by Kokonoe » Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:40 am

His Broly was great. Though his screams are way better in the Tenkaichi and Budokai games.

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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:43 am

PhoenixEX wrote:
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I actually like Vic's take on Broly. Vic may not be a great human being but I'd argue that the man is a voice actor legend similar to Kevin Spacey in the acting business (even though he's also a shit human). Even better than Broly is his performance as Edward Elric in FMA. I'm going to have a hard time adjusting to whoever replaces Vic in future FMA material.
As if they'd ever make more FMA stuff. It's not gonna happen at all. If I still gave a shit about dubs, I'd have a woman voice Edward. Mignogna makes Edward sound unnecessarily whiny in places IMO. A good example of this is in this scene from FMA 2003: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCX_OgPoBO8. In the original, Edward is asking if that's how adults are supposed to act when he's referring to Mustang's plans beyond avenging Maes Hughes' death. In the dub, the way that line is scripted and acted just makes Edward too whiny.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by Soppa Saia People » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:31 am

i don't think it's much worse then the average funimation dub voice, it's not super remarkable or distinctive, but like it's not horrible, it's just decent enough. though that clip Cursed Lemon posted was.....yeah, oof.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

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Fionordequester wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:15 am
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:26 pm
I doubt that comparison is true beyond them being sexual predators. He is in no way a legend in the voice acting community. Mel Blanc and Frank Welker, he's not.
No... I'd say it's fairly comparable. At least, a lot of the #ISWV guys I talk to think he's a legend. The ones that are actually anime fans, and not just trolls,

Plus I've seen him listed on some "Top 10 Anime Voice Actor Lists" and all that.
That's a drop in the bucket. He's not a legend, nowhere even close.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by MasenkoHA » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:03 am

I’m dying. We’re really calling Mignogna a legend and comparing him to Kevin Spacey? (As an actor not as a sexual predator)

No, not only is his voice acting not that great he’s really not that big outside of anime dubbing. He’s nowhere near the likes of John Dimaggio, Mark Hamill, Billy West, Frank Welker, Tara Strong. Ya know actually talented and well regarded voice actors.

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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by OhHiRenan » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:23 pm

Vic’s good as Edward in the FMA dub, but that’s far and away his best performance and nothing he’s done has been as good.

As for his Broly, he suffers from the same issues most characters do when performed in English: a lack of depth and a lack of proper direction to bring out everyone’s talent.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by Kunzait_83 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:28 am

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Again: people actually, literally, and unironically DEFEND this fucking dub/voicework as compelling and wonderful, and have for almost 20 years now. And still do to this day even in 2019.

This doesn't even remotely NEED any further elaboration or explanation. Its self-invalidating.

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Vic may not be a great human being but I'd argue that the man is a voice actor legend similar to Kevin Spacey in the acting business (even though he's also a shit human).
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This shit is straight through the goddamn looking glass. This is so beyond delusional that I can't even think of an adequate enough of a comparison to equate it with.

I'm going to reiterate this for the umpteenth time now, because it bears near-constant repeating in this community, and its a large part of where ridiculous statements like this often tend to come from:

Stop watching nothing but exclusively children's cartoons.

For heaven's sake. Actually make a serious, concerted effort to branch out into REAL movies and media for regular, fully grown-ass adults that aren't made to air on things like the Disney Channel or whatnot. Particularly anything that isn't geek or nerd-related. There's a vast, endless, gargantuan UNIVERSE of wonderful, powerfully moving, and genuinely culturally monumental stuff that's out there and that so many of you folks (not all, but a significant number of you) are completely unaware even exists, stuff that utterly blows off the map and is galaxies beyond just about literally anything you ever watched on Fox Kids or Cartoon Network growing up. I'll even go so far as to say objectively fucking so in a great many cases.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by WittyUsername » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:12 pm

Do we really need to get into this whole “stop watching kid’s shows” argument here?

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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by ABED » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:16 pm

Maybe not an argument, but it is a ridiculous comparison to make to claim his stature in the voice acting community was even close to Spacey's stature in the film community. Spacey has not one, but TWO Oscars. What does Vic have in his field that is akin to that? I don't know how anyone makes the comparison.

It's also worth noting he didn't say stop watching kids shows, just stop watching nothing but kids shows.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by WittyUsername » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:12 pm

ABED wrote:
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Maybe not an argument, but it is a ridiculous comparison to make to claim his stature in the voice acting community was even close to Spacey's stature in the film community. Spacey has not one, but TWO Oscars. What does Vic have in his field that is akin to that? I don't know how anyone makes the comparison.

It's also worth noting he didn't say stop watching kids shows, just stop watching nothing but kids shows.
I just don’t see why one would need to assume that someone else is exclusively watching children’s entertainment to begin with.

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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:53 pm

As a woman who watches a lot of children's cartoons...uh...yeah, I watch a lot of children's cartoons. I also watch a lot of other stuff, when my dysphoria isn't destroying me. I suggest trying to read some LGBTQIA+ books, they're better than a lot of shitty, boring movies out there. ♥

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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:15 pm

I really should get around to watching Twin Peaks since I'm a big Lynch fan.

Anyway, yeah Vic is not comparable to Kevin Spacey. If the two were to share a scene together, I don't think Vic could hold his own against him.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

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I really should get around to watching Twin Peaks since I'm a big Lynch fan.
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by ABED » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:08 pm

It's too surreal for me, but I did enjoy the Psych homage to Twin Peaks "Dual Spires".

I find it odd that in this and several threads, people keep overblowing how popular/talented Vic is. Why this guy?
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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by dario03 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:13 pm

WittyUsername wrote:
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10's by Pantera is a fucking awesome song and I will fight ya'll if you disagree.

I do like Mignogna's take on Broly in Movie 8, but his performance in Super: Broly was a very mixed bag. He's great in scenes where Broly's in his calm base form, but he just can't yell for shit. They had to loop his yell in this scene because he just couldn't maintain it for that long. It's a far cry from Bin Shimada's performance. That man can yell.
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As for Vic Mignogna’s yells, yeah, he certainly can’t yell as well as Bin Shimada, but his voice and overall performance always seemed fine to me, and I always did find it impressive how significantly different his Broly voice was from his regular speaking voice. I guess I’m mostly just confused by the people who say he’s a subpar actor, since I’ve seen that come up a few times. Regardless of who he is as a person, that doesn’t mean he can’t act.
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As for Broly I always thought Vic did pretty good.

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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by WittyUsername » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:57 pm

ABED wrote:
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It's too surreal for me, but I did enjoy the Psych homage to Twin Peaks "Dual Spires".

I find it odd that in this and several threads, people keep overblowing how popular/talented Vic is. Why this guy?
I have no stake in the argument regarding exactly how talented he is, but I think it’s fair to say that as far as voice actors for anime dubs are concerned, he is pretty popular. He’s obviously not a mainstream celebrity by any means, but he does have a pretty devoted fanbase, and even his own fan club, which I don’t think can be said for many other actors who have worked with FUNimation. I’m not familiar with Fullmetal Alchemist, but I do know that it’s pretty popular among anime fans.

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Re: What specifically was wrong with Vic Mignogna’s take on Broly?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:03 pm

He's popular for his performance in Fullmetal Alchemist, even though it isn't that good of a performance.
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