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Post by Michsi » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:54 pm

Assuming I'm interpreting the jab correctly, equating discussions about possible non-hetero relationships with hentai (perversion/porn) pretty much high-lights why representation is important.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:58 pm

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Representation is not so complex that it cannot be done in Dragon Ball. Literally Piccolo saying "I'm asexual" is a good first step. The novel I'm working on is actually centered on LGBTQIA+ themes so of course it would focus a lot on it but for a series like Dragon Ball it's enough to have characters openly queer. I mean, hell, all that was missing from the Gokuu Black and Zamasu interactions was a few kisses between them. Then there's Kale, Caulifla and Ribrien's group, all practically women-loving-women. Simply not dancing around their obvious queerness is the one step left to take.
The only thing that I'd be against about this would be Black and Zamasu. I get the point, but self-cest is just plain weird.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:02 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:58 pm
JulieYBM wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:18 pm
Representation is not so complex that it cannot be done in Dragon Ball. Literally Piccolo saying "I'm asexual" is a good first step. The novel I'm working on is actually centered on LGBTQIA+ themes so of course it would focus a lot on it but for a series like Dragon Ball it's enough to have characters openly queer. I mean, hell, all that was missing from the Gokuu Black and Zamasu interactions was a few kisses between them. Then there's Kale, Caulifla and Ribrien's group, all practically women-loving-women. Simply not dancing around their obvious queerness is the one step left to take.
The only thing that I'd be against about this would be Black and Zamasu. I get the point, but self-cest is just plain weird.
And, you know, the fact that they were never lovers in the first place, they weren't even very close friends, they were just kindred spirits on a crusade. Their relationship was merely professional, so much so that in the manga they even turn on each other once they start losing the battle.
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:05 pm

Sexuality is important but it does upset me that people treat queer folk as inherently more sexual than cishet folks. I am obviously a very pro-sex advocate so my argument will always be for more positive mainstream acceptance of sex, kink and eroticism, because it is important to people in general. I can certainly say, for me as a queer woman whose agency was forcibly stripped from me at a young age and not something I was able to reclaim until only a few years ago, it's important for me to be able to express my sexuality--especially in the spaces of Japanese media where sexuality means so much--because the expression of sexuality is the reclamation of my agency.
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Representation is not so complex that it cannot be done in Dragon Ball. Literally Piccolo saying "I'm asexual" is a good first step. The novel I'm working on is actually centered on LGBTQIA+ themes so of course it would focus a lot on it but for a series like Dragon Ball it's enough to have characters openly queer. I mean, hell, all that was missing from the Gokuu Black and Zamasu interactions was a few kisses between them. Then there's Kale, Caulifla and Ribrien's group, all practically women-loving-women. Simply not dancing around their obvious queerness is the one step left to take.
The only thing that I'd be against about this would be Black and Zamasu. I get the point, but self-cest is just plain weird.
Think about why self-cest exists. It's a form of masturbation and self-love to work through the numerous traumas one might experience. Black and Zamasu underwent a form of trauma and they deal with it by loving themselves in a sexual manner. I think the greater the display of their love the greater the impact of their twisted self-importance.

Also, seeing two twinks fuck is always fun.
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Post by KaiserNeko » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:45 pm

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This is just fan fiction hentai at this point.
What part makes it hentai?
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supersaiyanZero wrote:
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This is just fan fiction hentai at this point.
If it was hentai, you'd know.
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:21 pm

Did somebody say hentai?

G*sh, I wish the queerness in Dragon Ball was that erotic.This isn't going to happen unless we get an adult-oriented project, though.
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Post by Ryuji-Otogi » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:34 am

So after like 1000+ anime episodes, 20 movies and thousands of manga chapters, we’re suddenly gonna make Piccolo gay? lol Nah.

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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:40 am

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So after like 1000+ anime episodes, 20 movies and thousands of manga chapters, we’re suddenly gonna make Piccolo gay? lol Nah.
We're talking about recognizing him as asexual, not gay. 'Lol nah' is a rude, flippant attitude to have towards your fellow users and LGBTQIA+ folks.
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:44 am

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So after like 1000+ anime episodes, 20 movies and thousands of manga chapters, we’re suddenly gonna make Piccolo gay? lol Nah.
as like 12 people have said, piccolo is literally asexual, and that's something that's stated in the manga, anime, and whatever else, lol. like this is pretty obviously in bad faith but whatever.
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Post by Ryuji-Otogi » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:08 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:40 am
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:34 am
So after like 1000+ anime episodes, 20 movies and thousands of manga chapters, we’re suddenly gonna make Piccolo gay? lol Nah.
We're talking about recognizing him as asexual, not gay. 'Lol nah' is a rude, flippant attitude to have towards your fellow users and LGBTQIA+ folks.
There’s no need to acknowledge Piccolo as being sexual or otherwise. Toriyama would have written the character that way in one of the hundreds of manga chapters, anime episodes, TV specials, movies, etc. if that was his intention. I’m not against gays and I wasn’t being rude to anyone who is. It’s unfortunate that you took it that way.

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Post by KaiserNeko » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:29 pm

Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:08 pm
JulieYBM wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:40 am
Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:34 am
So after like 1000+ anime episodes, 20 movies and thousands of manga chapters, we’re suddenly gonna make Piccolo gay? lol Nah.
We're talking about recognizing him as asexual, not gay. 'Lol nah' is a rude, flippant attitude to have towards your fellow users and LGBTQIA+ folks.
There’s no need to acknowledge Piccolo as being sexual or otherwise. Toriyama would have written the character that way in one of the hundreds of manga chapters, anime episodes, TV specials, movies, etc. if that was his intention. I’m not against gays and I wasn’t being rude to anyone who is. It’s unfortunate that you took it that way.
Yes, you were being rude. You completely ignored the conversation and inserted yourself in a rude manner.

It's not unfortunate, it's just a fact.

Also, all the characters in DragonBall are some sort of sexual. The conversation about Piccolo's asexuality has been a topic for years. Only recently has the idea of what that means as "Representation" been approached. The conversation here is largely about manners in which we, as part of the audience, would like to *potentially* see that part of his character explored in the official product, and a way for us to discuss it amongst ourselves and others.

If you'd actually read anything in this thread and not barged in here saying "you wanna make Piccolo gay? yeah nah" then you'd have known that.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:36 pm

Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:08 pm
JulieYBM wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:40 am
Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:34 am
So after like 1000+ anime episodes, 20 movies and thousands of manga chapters, we’re suddenly gonna make Piccolo gay? lol Nah.
We're talking about recognizing him as asexual, not gay. 'Lol nah' is a rude, flippant attitude to have towards your fellow users and LGBTQIA+ folks.
There’s no need to acknowledge Piccolo as being sexual or otherwise. Toriyama would have written the character that way in one of the hundreds of manga chapters, anime episodes, TV specials, movies, etc. if that was his intention. I’m not against gays and I wasn’t being rude to anyone who is. It’s unfortunate that you took it that way.
They already did, when King Piccolo was shown multiple times to reproduce by spitting out eggs. It was again mentioned in the Namek saga that they only have one gender and the Grand Elder Guru spit out eggs of every Namekian on the planet at the time. Lastly Piccolo said he had no interest in love.

These things are in the manga my dude. Should they focus on that aspect more? Personally, I think it's fine the way it is. But in this case, it's been there from the start.

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Post by Ryuji-Otogi » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:52 pm

KaiserNeko wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:29 pm
Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:08 pm
JulieYBM wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:40 am


We're talking about recognizing him as asexual, not gay. 'Lol nah' is a rude, flippant attitude to have towards your fellow users and LGBTQIA+ folks.
There’s no need to acknowledge Piccolo as being sexual or otherwise. Toriyama would have written the character that way in one of the hundreds of manga chapters, anime episodes, TV specials, movies, etc. if that was his intention. I’m not against gays and I wasn’t being rude to anyone who is. It’s unfortunate that you took it that way.
Yes, you were being rude. You completely ignored the conversation and inserted yourself in a rude manner.

It's not unfortunate, it's just a fact.

Also, all the characters in DragonBall are some sort of sexual. The conversation about Piccolo's asexuality has been a topic for years. Only recently has the idea of what that means as "Representation" been approached. The conversation here is largely about manners in which we, as part of the audience, would like to *potentially* see that part of his character explored in the official product, and a way for us to discuss it amongst ourselves and others.

If you'd actually read anything in this thread and not barged in here saying "you wanna make Piccolo gay? yeah nah" then you'd have known that.
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Post by Ryuji-Otogi » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:02 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:36 pm
Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:08 pm
JulieYBM wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:40 am


We're talking about recognizing him as asexual, not gay. 'Lol nah' is a rude, flippant attitude to have towards your fellow users and LGBTQIA+ folks.
There’s no need to acknowledge Piccolo as being sexual or otherwise. Toriyama would have written the character that way in one of the hundreds of manga chapters, anime episodes, TV specials, movies, etc. if that was his intention. I’m not against gays and I wasn’t being rude to anyone who is. It’s unfortunate that you took it that way.
They already did, when King Piccolo was shown multiple times to reproduce by spitting out eggs. It was again mentioned in the Namek saga that they only have one gender and the Grand Elder Guru spit out eggs of every Namekian on the planet at the time. Lastly Piccolo said he had no interest in love.

These things are in the manga my dude. Should they focus on that aspect more? Personally, I think it's fine the way it is. But in this case, it's been there from the start.
I mean, that’s fine. But if we’re shining a spotlight on Piccolo’s sexuality (or lack thereof) just to be ‘progressive’ or whatever, then we’re doing it for the wrong reasons. I don’t like the idea of shoehorning stuff like that in just to appease the alphabet people. Toriyama writes comics to be fun, that’s what I enjoy about his work. There’s plenty of other stuff out there if you’re looking for material from more socially and/or politically inclined authors. Just my opinion. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Post by Soppa Saia People » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:08 pm

Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:08 pm
I’m not against gays and I wasn’t being rude to anyone who is. It’s unfortunate that you took it that way.
Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:02 pm
I don’t like the idea of shoehorning stuff like that in just to appease the alphabet people.
hmmmm.

it's also not shoehorning anything if it's been apart of his character for like 30 years, lol.
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:21 pm

Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:02 pm
Dbzfan94 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:36 pm
Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:08 pm


There’s no need to acknowledge Piccolo as being sexual or otherwise. Toriyama would have written the character that way in one of the hundreds of manga chapters, anime episodes, TV specials, movies, etc. if that was his intention. I’m not against gays and I wasn’t being rude to anyone who is. It’s unfortunate that you took it that way.
They already did, when King Piccolo was shown multiple times to reproduce by spitting out eggs. It was again mentioned in the Namek saga that they only have one gender and the Grand Elder Guru spit out eggs of every Namekian on the planet at the time. Lastly Piccolo said he had no interest in love.

These things are in the manga my dude. Should they focus on that aspect more? Personally, I think it's fine the way it is. But in this case, it's been there from the start.
I mean, that’s fine. But if we’re shining a spotlight on Piccolo’s sexuality (or lack thereof) just to be ‘progressive’ or whatever, then we’re doing it for the wrong reasons. I don’t like the idea of shoehorning stuff like that in just to appease the alphabet people. Toriyama writes comics to be fun, that’s what I enjoy about his work. There’s plenty of other stuff out there if you’re looking for material from more socially and/or politically inclined authors. Just my opinion. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Post by mute_proxy » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:29 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:21 pm
Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:02 pm
Dbzfan94 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:36 pm


They already did, when King Piccolo was shown multiple times to reproduce by spitting out eggs. It was again mentioned in the Namek saga that they only have one gender and the Grand Elder Guru spit out eggs of every Namekian on the planet at the time. Lastly Piccolo said he had no interest in love.

These things are in the manga my dude. Should they focus on that aspect more? Personally, I think it's fine the way it is. But in this case, it's been there from the start.
I mean, that’s fine. But if we’re shining a spotlight on Piccolo’s sexuality (or lack thereof) just to be ‘progressive’ or whatever, then we’re doing it for the wrong reasons. I don’t like the idea of shoehorning stuff like that in just to appease the alphabet people. Toriyama writes comics to be fun, that’s what I enjoy about his work. There’s plenty of other stuff out there if you’re looking for material from more socially and/or politically inclined authors. Just my opinion. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Please stop shoehorning your cisheteronormative nonsense into Dragon Ball.
And please stop shoehorning your choice of gender identity and sexuality into almost every reply you make.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:15 pm

Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:02 pm
Dbzfan94 wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:36 pm
Ryuji-Otogi wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:08 pm


There’s no need to acknowledge Piccolo as being sexual or otherwise. Toriyama would have written the character that way in one of the hundreds of manga chapters, anime episodes, TV specials, movies, etc. if that was his intention. I’m not against gays and I wasn’t being rude to anyone who is. It’s unfortunate that you took it that way.
They already did, when King Piccolo was shown multiple times to reproduce by spitting out eggs. It was again mentioned in the Namek saga that they only have one gender and the Grand Elder Guru spit out eggs of every Namekian on the planet at the time. Lastly Piccolo said he had no interest in love.

These things are in the manga my dude. Should they focus on that aspect more? Personally, I think it's fine the way it is. But in this case, it's been there from the start.
I mean, that’s fine. But if we’re shining a spotlight on Piccolo’s sexuality (or lack thereof) just to be ‘progressive’ or whatever, then we’re doing it for the wrong reasons. I don’t like the idea of shoehorning stuff like that in just to appease the alphabet people. Toriyama writes comics to be fun, that’s what I enjoy about his work. There’s plenty of other stuff out there if you’re looking for material from more socially and/or politically inclined authors. Just my opinion. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Nah man I know what you mean, for the most part I totally understand where you're coming from. But like i said, in this particular case, it's not shoe-horned in because it was always there. I dont feel it should really be pushed further that it already is though, but thats just me.

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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:38 pm

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Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:02 pm
I mean, that’s fine. But if we’re shining a spotlight on Piccolo’s sexuality (or lack thereof) just to be ‘progressive’ or whatever, then we’re doing it for the wrong reasons. I don’t like the idea of shoehorning stuff like that in just to appease the alphabet people. Toriyama writes comics to be fun, that’s what I enjoy about his work. There’s plenty of other stuff out there if you’re looking for material from more socially and/or politically inclined authors. Just my opinion. 🤷🏻‍♂️
There's nothing wrong with promoting progressive values, especially when the content is already in the original work. Piccolo shows no sexual or romantic interest in other characters. Simply calling that what it is--being asexual and aromantic--is nothing revolutionary. There is nothing 'shoehorning' about that and your attitude to it being 'appeasing the alphabet people' does nothing but betray the fact that you are a despicable bigot trying to hide behind some put-upon attitude of being a truth-teller.

Your posts make me sick. You clearly didn't read the thread and have put zero effort into counterarguments. Buzz off.
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