Rumor: Disney Developing New Live-Action Dragon Ball Movie With Asian Cast

[jjgp1112]

I can't think of a monumentally dumber waste of money time and resources than a live action movie that's just a direct sequel to the series. What fan would give a shit about that and why wouldn't it just be animated? Live action is a whole different medium and carries a different draw.

[ABED]

The fighting is the story. They are inseparable. I still for the life of me can't understand why you would want any story to pick up towards the end instead of starting from the beginning just in a streamlined manner. You keep pointing to a recap, but that's a lot to recap and think anyone in the audience will really care about it.

If you did a live action DB, the point would be to speak to more people than just those that are already fans. That's inarguable, otherwise, why not continue with an animated film?

[dario03]

I can't think of a monumentally dumber waste of money time and resources than a live action movie that's just a direct sequel to the series. What fan would give a shit about that and why wouldn't it just be animated? Live action is a whole different medium and carries a different draw.

For some maybe. Then again plenty of fans could say the same thing about making a live action version of things they've already seen. Like how some really like the live action Disney movies and some find them completely pointless.

[ABED]

I can't think of a monumentally dumber waste of money time and resources than a live action movie that's just a direct sequel to the series. What fan would give a shit about that and why wouldn't it just be animated? Live action is a whole different medium and carries a different draw.

For some maybe. Then again plenty of fans could say the same thing about making a live action version of things they've already seen. Like how some really like the live action Disney movies and some find them completely pointless.

Those are self contained one offs, not to mention those animated versions were themselves adaptations.

Forget about the hypothetical audience, why do YOU want them to start live action DB movies after the series?

[jjgp1112]

I can't think of a monumentally dumber waste of money time and resources than a live action movie that's just a direct sequel to the series. What fan would give a shit about that and why wouldn't it just be animated? Live action is a whole different medium and carries a different draw.

For some maybe. Then again plenty of fans could say the same thing about making a live action version of things they've already seen. Like how some really like the live action Disney movies and some find them completely pointless.

The draw of live action adaptations is seeing something that already exists in a new medium and the changes made to work within it. On the other hand, why would you want an actual follow up to the story to exist solely as a COMPLETELY different medium that carries new limitations and additions? It wouldn't fit. It's like Popeye's following up a chicken sandwich with a pork sandwich and still calling it a chicken sandwich. What audience exists for that?

[dario03]

The fighting is the story. They are inseparable. I still for the life of me can't understand why you would want any story to pick up towards the end instead of starting from the beginning just in a streamlined manner. You keep pointing to a recap, but that's a lot to recap and think anyone in the audience will really care about it.

If you did a live action DB, the point would be to speak to more people than just those that are already fans. That's inarguable, otherwise, why not continue with an animated film?

Because that streamlined manner will probably just be a worse version of what we already have. I can't understand why you would want to retell a story that's already been told in animation but just with live actors. I would rather a recap of the simple story than a streamlined, changed, and probably worse version of the story.

And the point would be to make a good movie. And I think an action packed movie that doesn't upset the core fans but is simple enough for the new fans would work better for DB than redoing a bunch of it.
How many movies are you wanting to use to cover DB(Z/Super)?

[jjgp1112]

The fighting is the story. They are inseparable. I still for the life of me can't understand why you would want any story to pick up towards the end instead of starting from the beginning just in a streamlined manner. You keep pointing to a recap, but that's a lot to recap and think anyone in the audience will really care about it.

If you did a live action DB, the point would be to speak to more people than just those that are already fans. That's inarguable, otherwise, why not continue with an animated film?

Because that streamlined manner will probably just be a worse version of what we already have. I can't understand why you would want to retell a story that's already been told in animation but just with live actors. I would rather a recap of the simple story than a streamlined, changed, and probably worse version of the story.

And the point would be to make a good movie. And I think an action packed movie that doesn't upset the core fans but is simple enough for the new fans would work better for DB than redoing a bunch of it.
How many movies are you wanting to use to cover DB(Z/Super)?

Why should new fans have to settle for important pieces of characterization and story to just be recapped to them? That's boring and haphazard

Just the mere act of fitting the stories into a 2.5 hour time frame in a different medium requires changes.

You're asking why fans would want to see the same story just in live action in the same year that near 1:1 live action Aladdin and Lion King remakes made billions of dollars.

[ABED]

The fighting is the story. They are inseparable. I still for the life of me can't understand why you would want any story to pick up towards the end instead of starting from the beginning just in a streamlined manner. You keep pointing to a recap, but that's a lot to recap and think anyone in the audience will really care about it.

If you did a live action DB, the point would be to speak to more people than just those that are already fans. That's inarguable, otherwise, why not continue with an animated film?

Because that streamlined manner will probably just be a worse version of what we already have. I can't understand why you would want to retell a story that's already been told in animation but just with live actors. I would rather a recap of the simple story than a streamlined, changed, and probably worse version of the story.

And the point would be to make a good movie. And I think an action packed movie that doesn't upset the core fans but is simple enough for the new fans would work better for DB than redoing a bunch of it.
How many movies are you wanting to use to cover DB(Z/Super)?

I don't want any of this. I want DB to end, but if they did ever make it, I would want it to be successful and recapping 700+ episodes and starting at the end would be the dumbest idea. I don't see how starting at the end of a story that has decades of continuity would work for anyone.

I don't know how many films it would take to cover all the manga. They shouldn't be in a hurry to get anywhere. Take it a film at a time and worry about making each one its own satisfying experience. It's films that sell audiences on franchises, not the other way around. In other words, don't spend so much time setting up a future they might not get to.

[dario03]

The fighting is the story. They are inseparable. I still for the life of me can't understand why you would want any story to pick up towards the end instead of starting from the beginning just in a streamlined manner. You keep pointing to a recap, but that's a lot to recap and think anyone in the audience will really care about it.

If you did a live action DB, the point would be to speak to more people than just those that are already fans. That's inarguable, otherwise, why not continue with an animated film?

Because that streamlined manner will probably just be a worse version of what we already have. I can't understand why you would want to retell a story that's already been told in animation but just with live actors. I would rather a recap of the simple story than a streamlined, changed, and probably worse version of the story.

And the point would be to make a good movie. And I think an action packed movie that doesn't upset the core fans but is simple enough for the new fans would work better for DB than redoing a bunch of it.
How many movies are you wanting to use to cover DB(Z/Super)?

Why should new fans have to settle for important pieces of characterization and story to just be recapped to them? That's boring and haphazard

Just the mere act of fitting the stories into a 2.5 hour time frame in a different medium requires changes.

You're asking why fans would want to see the same story just in live action in the same year that near 1:1 live action Aladdin and Lion King remakes made billions of dollars.

And you're saying fans would be against seeing a later part of a story but in live action in the same year that episode 9 of a series that started on episode 4 and has had both live and animated media jumping around its timeline for decades but is one of the biggest franchises ever.

And I already covered the live action Disney remakes, some people like them and some find them pointless. The last person I talked to about the Lion King said he was looking forward to it, and then the next day told me he couldn't get through it because it was the same movie, just worse.

Also do you think they would make a 1:1 live action of DB?

[KBABZ]

Regular DB covered a lot of stuff, but there wasn't really a recap of it for all the people that started with Z and that worked fine.

I mean, not really. Script changes in the dub aside, skipping Goku's childhood means you miss out on how much of a manchild he can be, not to mention where his passion for fighting comes from, or how crazy it is that he actually managed to reproduce and have Gohan. You also miss out on the context of VERY important characters like Piccolo being a villain whose entire birth-given purpose is to destroy Goku.

Characters like Krillin, Tien and Yamcha being considered jokes has a lot to do with the fact that they are, if you start from Z, introduced as the defenders of the Earth and then get their heads blown off against the weakling henchmen. It also robs perspective on how earth-shattering the powers of the Saiyans are. If you started from Dragon Ball you know how much they've been through together by this point, and Krillin in particular gets to spend barely any time with Goku prior to Namek and so his death means much less.

In short, starting from Z has meant that there has been some pretty significant mis-interpetation of several very important characters, including the main character.

[dario03]

Regular DB covered a lot of stuff, but there wasn't really a recap of it for all the people that started with Z and that worked fine.

I mean, not really. Script changes in the dub aside, skipping Goku's childhood means you miss out on how much of a manchild he can be, not to mention where his passion for fighting comes from, or how crazy it is that he actually managed to reproduce and have Gohan. You also miss out on the context of VERY important characters like Piccolo being a villain whose entire birth-given purpose is to destroy Goku.

Characters like Krillin, Tien and Yamcha being considered jokes has a lot to do with the fact that they are, if you start from Z, introduced as the defenders of the Earth and then get their heads blown off against the weakling henchmen. It also robs perspective on how earth-shattering the powers of the Saiyans are. If you started from Dragon Ball you know how much they've been through together by this point, and Krillin in particular gets to spend barely any time with Goku prior to Namek and so his death means much less.

In short, starting from Z has meant that there has been some pretty significant mis-interpetation of several very important characters, including the main character.

worked fine as in was successful and didn't completely confuse the audience. You of course miss some context by skipping around.
But sometimes it can work. "No, I am your father" wouldn't have been as big of a deal and definitely not as big of a shock if the story had actually released in the same form but in order.

[ABED]

There's so much great stuff in DB, I don't know why anyone would intentionally skip it. It's a pet peeve of mind when people feel little to no desire to go back and watch it. Even "I'll get around to it" bugs me, especially when I read it from people on this forum.

I don't know what your point is with the Empire Strikes Back example. The impact of that reveal doesn't work as well if we know that information going in.

[JulieYBM]

Wes Craven's New Nightmare homage with the Dragon Ball staff, please 'kay, thanks.

[ABED]

Wes Craven's New Nightmare homage with the Dragon Ball staff, please 'kay, thanks.

The meta movie? That film was god awful.

[KBABZ]

worked fine as in was successful and didn't completely confuse the audience. You of course miss some context by skipping around.
But sometimes it can work. "No, I am your father" wouldn't have been as big of a deal and definitely not as big of a shock if the story had actually released in the same form but in order.

Also caused the massive split in the fanbase that's left the first half of the story an obscure, seemingly irrelevant relic.

Also, the prequels ruining the I am your Father reveal and Yoda is 100% the fault of Lucas' storytelling decisions, not the order the audience viewed the story.

[JulieYBM]

Wes Craven's New Nightmare homage with the Dragon Ball staff, please 'kay, thanks.

The meta movie? That film was god awful.

Cool, hire someone who can make a good movie. Hikounin Sentai AkibaRanger had a similar theme and it was a lot of fun.

[ABED]

Wes Craven's New Nightmare homage with the Dragon Ball staff, please 'kay, thanks.

The meta movie? That film was god awful.

Cool, hire someone who can make a good movie. Hikounin Sentai AkibaRanger had a similar theme and it was a lot of fun.

Craven can make good movies. Never seen Akibaranger so I can't comment. Meta humor has its place, and I enjoyed the episode of Supernatural that did something like this, but that's a small show that has over 300 episodes. A live action film made for millions, especially something as expensive as a hypothetical DB film would be SO self indulgent if it went down this route.

Also, the prequels ruining the I am your Father reveal and Yoda is 100% the fault of Lucas' storytelling decisions, not the order the audience viewed the story.

To be fair, that reveal was ruined well before the prequels. The oft misquoted "I am your father" is one of the most well known quotes in popular culture, so much so that even if you never saw a single film, you know that line and who said it to whom.

[Kid Buu]

Wes Craven's New Nightmare homage with the Dragon Ball staff, please 'kay, thanks.

The meta movie? That film was god awful.

Did you see Scream? His 2nd attempt at a meta movie.

[ABED]

Wes Craven's New Nightmare homage with the Dragon Ball staff, please 'kay, thanks.

The meta movie? That film was god awful.

Did you see Scream? His 2nd attempt at a meta movie.

There's meta humor, but at its core, it's a very solid thriller. There's a difference between meta humor and a meta film. Explicitly pointing out genre tropes is not the same as having actors play themselves on screen. The latter is indulgent, the former generally has a point to make, usually "wow, these recurring elements are overused often by hacks".

[dario03]

There's so much great stuff in DB, I don't know why anyone would intentionally skip it. It's a pet peeve of mind when people feel little to no desire to go back and watch it. Even "I'll get around to it" bugs me, especially when I read it from people on this forum.

But unless they make tons of movies that's what would happen with a retelling in live action. It won't be like the Disney movies where they have a similar runtime. And then you would have different continuity versions where in the retelling version those things just didn't happen or were changed, where as with a recap continuation version you wouldn't have that issue.