Heh. Well-liked was a poor choice of words. I meant that it wasn't hated -- that, in comparison to the USA's pure vitriol about it, I've observed that France, Latin America, and Japan are far more positive. That, outside America, it's really seen as just... Okay/fine. That's been my observation of its reception in general outside of America -- it didn't exactly click, but it's not really disliked. Again, as in Japan, people just don't care much, and when pressed, it's just seen as... The somewhat weak epilogue thing that had some cool things in it.
Agreed.
Much like the "it had good ideas but bad execution", it's a simple thing people hear and parrot consistently without really thinking about it, or really engaging with the show critically for themselves. It's a lazy way to not really consider something.
I don't imagine GT will ever be exactly liked, but I do think as time goes on, and people eventually come around on Super not actually being the masterpiece people seem to hail it as, and as people begin to not quite have the crazy love for Toriyama they currently to have (similar to how Phantom Menace, Attack Of The Clones, and Return Of The Jedi -- as well as George Lucas himself -- have grown to be rather heavily criticised, in comparison to their initially very positive reception), GT will be looked on in a less contemptable light.
Exactly.KBABZ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:58 pm That aside, yes the big gap in time has certainly helped create that supply and demand. Grand Theft Auto is a master at this, taking just long enough between installments that people pine and clamour for a sequel (nowadays this has been replaced with GTA Online though). On the other scale was PS3-era Assassin's Creed, which despite being big AAA blockbusters had tired people out by the time III and Rogue and Unity rolled around.
Take a look at the Tomb Raider games too; arguably, all the original instalments were of similar quality, but they were so regularly cranked out that people just got bored with it. Franchise fatigue is a serious thing. Marvel's had to be very careful about how they space out their movies, who appears in which ones, etc. to avoid this; people get their Marvel movie a couple of times a year, but any of the individual franchises only gets an instalment every 2-4 years.
Meanwhile, in Japan, Dragon Ball had been running weekly, acting as an omnipresent pop culture phenomenon from like... Well... I hear it wasn't exactly the hugest thing when it started out in '84, but it clicked really well, really quickly pretty soon after... So, let's say it was huge, and had new content every week from 1985-1997. It's not really any wonder that people were a bit tired of it by sort of '94, '95.
As for the west, well... People weren't exactly tired of it, but my observation has always been that the Boo arc was seen as a bit of a drop off. Follow that up with a sequel that was even more of a drop off than that, with the original creator not attached, and make it such a different thing from the "Z" people had come to know? And Funi made things even worse with their horrendous dub?... Yeah, it's really not much wonder that, not only did GT not really click, it was utterly hated in America.
Meanwhile, Super comes along right at the perfect time for people to have this nostalgia for the show, and even though it's a pile of shit in terms of storytelling, music, and animation (yes, I know the animation got better -- it was still pretty ugly pretty regularly, aside from a few stand-out moments and episodes), it gives people the flashy fights they crave.
I think of Force Awakens... Much as I do think that film is very good, it was not very original. It was very much a rehash of the original Star Wars. But that was fine; it came at a time when people were clamouring for more Star Wars, and it delivered the goods. Quotable dialogue, fun characters, big light saber fights, and some great space action. Everything people were hungry for out of a new Star Wars was given to them. If Revenge Of The Sith had been released at that time, people probably still would have loved it. It is worth noting that, at the time, despite a lot of nerd rage about it, Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones also had great positive reception initially. Audiences flocked to see them, critics praised them... But people online bitterly criticised them in the background. Eventually, thanks to the internet's infinite powers of magnifying hate, the Prequels are generally seen as hated online. But really, the prequels came at just the right time, and people were hungry for more Star Wars, and by all accounts, people at the time enjoyed having more Star Wars...
So...
I think timing is everything when it comes to making a sequel to a beloved franchise. Time it right, and even something that's absolute horseshit will probably be quite well liked, if the franchise has enough nostalgic goodwill. (See: Several of the soulless Disney remakes, Resurrection F, the above-cited first two Star Wars prequels...)
People like the comfortable/familiar, ultimately.
Not sure. You'd have to ask someone like Kei or Kunzait.
I would speculate that 10-15 years after GT was the right time, judging from 10-15 years generally being the butterzone for a lot of franchises in the west (16 years from Star Wars 6 to 1; 12 years from 3 to 7; 9 years from GT ending in the English world to Battle Of Gods happening; 7 years from Star Trek Nemesis to Star Trek '09; 17 years between the classic and revived runs of Doctor Who...), but that's 100% just guesswork on my part; I'm not very knowledgeable about Japanese culture/fandom.
This does have SOME basis in reality in that 10-15 years is right when the revival era began; the Yo Son Goku, Episode Of Bardock, and Plan remake OVAs as well as Kai were all around the ten-year mark, and then BOG was pretty close to bang on the 15-year mark.
But, as I say, my speculations are largely based on my observations about the west, so you can't really take it as anything to go on.
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