SSJ4 is without a doubt my favorite form, however while thinking about it I got to ask, does it make sense? I think it fits with the lore quite nicley, except, Gohan. Gohan's potential in Z is stated to be greater than Goku's. So how would SSJ4 work, would a hypothetical Buu saga Goku SSJ4 be weaker than Gohan. I mean the form is said to release all latent potential and if Goku's potential is lesser than Gohan then yeah he would be weaker. However I feel it should be stronger, which if that's the case then how would that work?
I know base Goku gt is like SSJ3 level so that's a factor but Gohan still trained so he shouldn't be so weak. I don't know, do you think SSJ4 works and if so how?
Does SSJ4 work?
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Re: Does SSJ4 work?
Isn't SSJ4 implied to unleash all of its user's ultimate potential forefront?
If anything, I'd say DBZ Boo Arc SSJ4 Goku should be at least on par to Z's Ultimate Gohan
I dunno abt potential & stuff man. Gohan is implied to have greatest potential, but once SSJ4 is unlocked...I'd say that should put Goku at bar minimum at Full-Powered Ultimate Gohan
If anything, I'd say DBZ Boo Arc SSJ4 Goku should be at least on par to Z's Ultimate Gohan
I dunno abt potential & stuff man. Gohan is implied to have greatest potential, but once SSJ4 is unlocked...I'd say that should put Goku at bar minimum at Full-Powered Ultimate Gohan
Re: Does SSJ4 work?
I think SS4 draws power in a similar fashion to Broli’s current forms. Great Ape powers can compete with SSGod depending on how they are used. Broli managed to rival SSGSS Goku without even becoming a Super Saiyan. That’s probably how strong I think SS4 can be, potential-wise.
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Well, Super Saiyan forms are just multipliers of the base by default so Broly tackling Blue Goku without being a super Saiyan is pretty normal.
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I remember a guidebook stating Buu saga SSJ Vegetto was about as powerful as a SSJ4. If SSJ4 unleashes their full potential, maybe that includes Oozaru stacked on top of their regular potential? Since Gohan no longer had a tail, his ultimate form was basically his hypothetical full power SSJ3. If he had kept his tail, his ultimate form would've been equivalent to a full power SSJ4? I don't know just theorizing here!
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That guide is stupid. Buu saga Vegito gets dusted by Super Baby 1Skar wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:07 pm I remember a guidebook stating Buu saga SSJ Vegetto was about as powerful as a SSJ4. If SSJ4 unleashes their full potential, maybe that includes Oozaru stacked on top of their regular potential? Since Gohan no longer had a tail, his ultimate form was basically his hypothetical full power SSJ3. If he had kept his tail, his ultimate form would've been equivalent to a full power SSJ4? I don't know just theorizing here!
Re: Does SSJ4 work?
What makes you say that? I haven't watched GT in years so I don't remember how strong he was. Super Baby 1 was the form after Baby Vegeta absorbed energy from the half-Saiyans correct? What's enough to surpass Vegetto?
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Re: Does SSJ4 work?
It works in the same way SSG and SSJ3 and Spirit Control and Ultimate Instinct do. You hit the "I believe" button and move on.
Besides. Gohan's potential has been completely retconned at this point (as has the fighting potential of everyone other than Goku and Vegeta) so he stakes up against any of Goku's forms shouldn't be a problem.
Besides. Gohan's potential has been completely retconned at this point (as has the fighting potential of everyone other than Goku and Vegeta) so he stakes up against any of Goku's forms shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Does SSJ4 work?
Super Baby 1 was as strong or a tad weaker than ssj3 goku who keep in mind should be equal to buu saga goku ssj3 going ssj3. So depending how you view Vegito's power (I personally use Gogeta's showing in the broly movie with his base being equal to Goku and Vegeta's best) you can sort of extrapolate from there
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I assumed GT Vegeta hadn't improved much since the Buu saga since he never unlocked SSJ3 so I thought Super Baby could've been between Buuhan and SSJ Vegetto. I forgot base GT Goku was that powerful so his current SSJ3 must be a few hundred times stronger than during the Buu saga. Oh well there goes my theory!Mad Swami wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:25 pmSuper Baby 1 was as strong or a tad weaker than ssj3 goku who keep in mind should be equal to buu saga goku ssj3 going ssj3. So depending how you view Vegito's power (I personally use Gogeta's showing in the broly movie with his base being equal to Goku and Vegeta's best) you can sort of extrapolate from there
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I think your theory could still poitentially work, I actually like the idea that SSJ4 is the full potential of a warrior multiplied by 500(Golden Oozaru) So I don't think yours is completely ruinedSkar wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:10 amI assumed GT Vegeta hadn't improved much since the Buu saga since he never unlocked SSJ3 so I thought Super Baby could've been between Buuhan and SSJ Vegetto. I forgot base GT Goku was that powerful so his current SSJ3 must be a few hundred times stronger than during the Buu saga. Oh well there goes my theory!Mad Swami wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:25 pmSuper Baby 1 was as strong or a tad weaker than ssj3 goku who keep in mind should be equal to buu saga goku ssj3 going ssj3. So depending how you view Vegito's power (I personally use Gogeta's showing in the broly movie with his base being equal to Goku and Vegeta's best) you can sort of extrapolate from there
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GT Goku stated that Super Baby 1 had the strongest Ki he ever felt, Baby then goes Super Baby 2 and then Golden Ozaru and SS4 Goku still beats him.
Buu saga tier characters are an obsoletes even in early GT.