Kunzait_83 wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:17 am
Planetnamek wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:10 pm
i'm just getting sick and tired of these pointless debates and the rampant elitism that always seems to come with them.
Serious, genuine question: can we like nail down a concrete, definitive answer on what exactly we all mean here when we use the word "elitism" in these kinds of conversations?
Because the word actually DOES have a real, solidly specific dictionary definition
, and I've long (and I mean LONG
) gotten the impression that in most all DB/anime dub vs sub discussions, people just throw it around simply as a shorthand for "you said something I disagree with and its making me feel massively insecure and hyper-defensively self-conscious to the point where I'm going to just blanket assume that you're looking down your nose at me and being condescending, regardless of whether or not you've actually said anything to indicate that even remotely
Its the rhetorical equivalent of someone responding to an otherwise benign, inconsequential statement with "WHAT, YOU THINK YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME?! IS THAT WHAT YOU THINK?! CAUSE YOU'RE NOT BETTER THAN ME!!" Kind of like how people assume, no matter *what* the circumstances or context, than anyone who is vegan or a teetotaler is always universally judging and looking down on everyone else purely by nature of their simply being
a vegan or teetotaler.
Basically, the word elitist/elitism within these sub/dub discussions has come to lose any and all meaning apart from "you said a thing I didn't like and its making me feel judged and attacked!"
Well I can't personally speak for everyone else on here, but when I say it that term, i'm referring to this notion that a loud vocal minority of sub fans have where they think simply being a sub fan automatically makes them a superior fan to those who unironically enjoy the dub(i'm not accusing you of this personally, but i've seen more then a few users on here and on other sites engage in this practice) and they try and make things personal by somehow implying that liking the dub makes one an idiot or something along those lines.
I'm fine with people disagreeing with me and others on DB, but i've noticed from some interactions here amongst other users in the past that just disagreeing and hating Funi isn't enough for some people, they have to take it one step further and directly go after fans that like Funi's products(again I stress i'm not talking about you specifically) and blame them for all the bad things that happened with the franchise as if it's somehow their fault. Frankly a lot of that comes off as incredibly immature and childish, I just fail to see the point in holding a grudge against fans over something that happened decades ago. I see the bitterness and anger from some sub fans and I just think "man you could be doing something WAY more productive then complaining about fans of a dub that ended almost 2 decades ago"
Most vegans i've come across have been real dicks like that where they think they are better then other people simply because they don't eat meat and they try and shame others as being "evil" just for liking meat. Not saying they are all like that, but unfortunately many of the ones i've encountered were genuine arrogant assholes. PETA is I think the main reason this stereotype of vegans persists so much as they are frankly a terrible organization that hurts more animals then they help.
Valerius Dover wrote: ↑
Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:18 am
^I don't think I've heard of people hating on Japanese Yu-Gi-Oh. If anything, it's actually kind of hard to find other fans who don't hate the dub outside of the first series. Regarding Sailor Moon, that TheOtherName group actually did make a brief comeback in 2014 when the redub was announced, but I haven't heard much from them since then. I think women are also less likely to get aggressive and immature enough to send death threats to people like that.
Oh how I wish that was true, but women are just as prone to doing that sort of thing. I saw that firsthand when a female Steven Universe fan drew some fan-art and some other female fans attacked her with all kinds of death threats over her art being "inaccurate" and the artist ended up attempting suicide as a result, that definitely played a part in me wanting to stay the hell away from SU(that and the art-style never quite did it for me).
There were people hating on the original version of YGO too, Kevin T Rod of YGO uncensored complained about them all the time.
Same with Sailor Moon, it's not so much the case nowadays, but back when the dub was airing there absolutely were fans like that hating on the original, the site owners for SM Uncensored frequently complained about that.
Xanatos-you seem to have a very overinflated opinion about yourself, not every person disagreeing with you automatically means they are feeling "personally attacked", you ain't that special, get over yourself LOL
You're the one writing "long-winded" posts here boi.