ABED wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:57 pm
Zeon you seem unable to grasp the difference between a company or even a medium catering to a bunch of different audiences vs. a single franchise/story.
From my perspective it's you who seems unable to grasp that no one is asking for the current Pokemon anime to take a sudden turn towards making adult themed content, but rather the Pokemon Company producing different anime stories unconnected to one another outside the obvious "but with Pokemon" catch aimed at different audiences. The best part about the best fantasy concepts is that their appeal generally far exceeds any love or dedication to a single character. They don't have to adhere exclusively to one type of story and they can branch out and tell different people's stories in different productions.
Um, they do need to lighten the hell up. I've been around comic book fandom too long to not see how they take kids stuff WAY too seriously. That there was a backlash to begin with is proof enough that they deserve to be told to lighten up.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being passionate about the shows and characters you love, regardless of who the intended audience is. Regardless, cancelling a popular show because it's popular with the wrong people, then telling that fanbase to basically fuck itself with it's issues is a massive mishandling of a brand and disrespect towards the fans.
Mainstream audiences, the most important audience, don't give a damn about lore. Geeks place way too much importance on that stuff and it's annoying. Lore doesn't matter. The franchise is profitable because it's a very simple premise with a million permutations. Regardless of whether it's the games or the merchandise, bottom line it's that sort of thing that makes the most money. The story often is there to promote the product and there are power in stories but rarely is that the biggest revenue generator.
I just included "and concepts" in my statement and you rebutted with "lore isn't important, the concepts are." No one said it would be the biggest, just that it would be a bigger revenue generator than they're getting now because, as pointed out before, no one is watching the anime anymore. What part of improving the quality and reach of any branch of a brand or franchise will inherently bring bigger profits aren't you understanding?
Your whole approach to this has been "if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Wait, it is broke? Who cares, that's not the primary money maker anyway."
And I'll double down, way too many armchair experts (not an offensive term, good lord) believe they have a basic understanding of those industries and they really don't. I don't think you're unable, but the way you talk about it isn't showing any level of fundamental understanding. I can't for one second believe that someone on an internet forum of all places knows more about how to save the popularity of anime, or if it's even possible, than those in it. Given the reductive nature of your solution(s), I'd bet you are incorrect.
It is absolutely an offensive term when used to dismiss someone's argument on the grounds that "they don't work in the industry (that I know of, but they're online so they can't possibly be) so they automatically have no actual insight or knowledge of how things work."
You can't sit there and dismiss the premise that targeting a more diverse range of customers would bring in more viewers/money, despite the fact that we have history of other brands and franchises to prove it's true, on the sole premise that the person presenting it to you is some person, whose background you don't know, is on the internet. Ignoring that, one doesn't have to be an industry insider to understand the film making process.
No, but that OVA wouldn't be Pokemon, it would be some grimdark bullshit that claims to be sophisticated. DB can get dark sometimes, and how much darker could it get without going into the realm of indulgence?
Is that the crux of this whole argument? That when I said "content aimed at adults," you immediately jumped to "edgy grimdark bullshit that's explicitly vulgar/violent/sexual for no reason other than just to be that way?" There's nothing inherently grimdark about writing a story with adult audiences in mind.
Except that it would be friggin pointless.
Just because you are personally unreceptive to the very concept of letting aging franchise and brands grow up, doesn't mean it'd be pointless. If it works and draws viewers, fans, and revenue, then it's not pointless. If it refreshes the general public's interest in the animation side of Pokemon, it wouldn't be pointless. It's only pointless if it goes absolutely nowhere and has absolutely nothing to say.