Majin Buu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:25 pm
Planetnamek wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:14 pmHighly unlikely, the youth vote won't be needed as long as the older black folks vote for Biden, which they almost certainly will.
If all it took were the votes of old black people, Hillary Clinton would be president now. Saying we don't need the youth vote to beat Trump is pretty much inviting another loss.
Also, none of the red states Biden won with the help of those old black voters are gonna go blue in the general election.
Hilary unfortunately had sexism going against her and Sanders(BTW a lot of the folks that voted for Sanders in 2016 weren't voting for him so much as they were voting against her, hence why his numbers were lower this time around).
You don't know that for an absolute fact, unfortunately none of us are psychic so we can't predict the future for certain.
Fact is the youth just aren't turning out no matter what, Sanders couldn't even turn them out, so no it's not inviting anything to say we don't need them considering historically the youth has never been the deciding factor in a general election(not even in Obama's case).
https://today.duke.edu/2018/10/why-so-m ... 0%99t-vote
Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:21 pm
Planetnamek wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:50 pmHighly unlikely Drumpf will win after his colossal fuckups with handling the pandemic, besides it's likely he probably has COVID himself as they've been dancing around whether he's been tested or not and he's been looking much worse then usual lately and with his age and health conditions he definitely won't survive a case of COVID, so him even making it to the end of the year is pretty unlikely.
What makes you think Biden or Sanders are any less vulnerable to it? They're pretty old, too.
Sanders is definitely vulnerable as I pointed out in another post. Biden seems at least somewhat healthy by comparison, though he's definitely a risk too, hence why he's picking a younger VP(most likely either Harris or Abrams) just in case.
Zeon_Grunt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:05 pm
Planetnamek wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:53 pm
Zeon_Grunt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:00 pm
And most democrats too. Sadly, corporate interests and money have found their way into almost every aspect and crevice of our electoral systems. Unfortunately, neither main political party is innocent of corruption and corporate influences.
https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying ... sh-despite
One is still clearly FAR FAR worse then the other though.
I was never on the Sanders hype train for a lot of reasons(the fact that he's STILL refusing to concede even while there's a damn pandemic going on certainly hasn't helped endear him to me in the least), this great piece by Daily Kos delves into a lot of problems with him and behind the scenes stuff a lot of his supporters don't know:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3 ... uld-win-it
Corruption and manipulation of politics by corporations is equally bad regardless of which side is doing it. You identifying with one political party or another doesn't mean your party isn't equally wrong for committing the same crimes or using the same shady practices.
The fact that the right is lead by a racist moron that you hate, doesn't mean the left isn't also corrupt and wrong for taking corporate money in exchange for protecting their financial interests over the people of the nation.
Refusing to concede what? His presidential race? Why would he do that because of a pandemic?
Also, I skimmed that link, and I didn't really see anything about Bernie being secretly a bad person or criminal, or any justification for why we shouldn't be supporting him, just that the people running his campaign are kinda stupid and he's losing his chance at presidency as a result.
The left has it's issues for sure(certainly amongst the Bernie Bros at least, some days I can hardly tell the difference between them and Trump supporters) but they are still leagues above the right(For one thing the left aren't advocating for people to go back to work and saying it's not a big deal if a few people die as a result)
Never once claimed Sanders was a "criminal" or a "bad person"(though he certainly comes off as an ignorant one at times), the fact that you admitted that you "skimmed" the link makes it hard for me to take your post remotely seriously.
He should concede because he's got virtually zero chance of getting the nomination and because him staying in means primaries still happen which means lots of people in an enclosed space(as not every state lets you vote by mail) which makes them very vulnerable to catching COVID, Sanders dropping out would mean the primaries would be cancelled and it would be one less headache for the remaining states to worry about in terms of people potentially getting sick.
Hellspawn28 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:03 pm
WittyUsername wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:36 pm
Older Americans are terrified of the concept of socialism, and they’re the only reliable voters in the country.
That's because those people are still thinking it's still the 1940s-1980s. Socialism can be good if the right people use it. Albert Einstein approve of socialism, and he is one of the smartest humans in history. Socialism never work for Venezuela because they have awful people running their country.
Planetnamek wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:14 pm
Exactly, many black folks are on record as saying they voted for Biden because they don't trust white people to vote for socialism, and yes Sanders ignorant comments about Castro definitely cost him support amongst the Cuban community.
You could argue that Castro is a better leader than Trump depending on whom you ask. America is one of the worst 1st world countries, and we can never improve things better if American people keep on voting for awful people or useless people like Obama. If someone like Sanders can't run in office, our nation is done for good. At this rate, I would rather die and go to Hell instead having another 4 years of Trump.
Obama was not "awful" or "useless" at all
, that asinine bullshit post right there tells me that I should not listen to a goddamn thing you say
The only thing "awful" and "useless" here is your dumbass post
Our nation is not "done" just because an old white guy does not get the nomination, i'd love to see you try and tell that to minorities and women with a straight face
You attacking Obama like that makes me question your views on minorities and racism as a whole