Me? Not really. Sorry if it seemed that way, I'm bad at not coming off as a dickbag when I share a strongly-held opinion. But in general, it does frustrate me to see elitism for any particular version. But, on the other hand, I do think it's sensible to acknowledge the difference.
Main reason I quoted dbzfan94 was as a jumping off point to make my points, not to pile on you. Sorry. I could have made that way clearer.
I generally agree with you. Though dub vs sub can so easily devolve into just "lol the dubs are so bad" (or, outside this forum, "lol nozawa is shitty grandma goku", or alternately "lol why does piccolo sound like wolverine in the ocean dub? lol so bad"), I have a hard time seeing much value in that discussion coming up by itself anymore in 2020.Majin Buu wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:41 pm The dub vs. sub debate is a very real fault line that informs a lot of the reasons why the western Dragon Ball fandom is the way it is. People shouldn't attack others for their preferences, but ignoring/downplaying the significance of this doesn't help either.
Neither is ignoring the very real differences between the versions that make certain discussions difficult to have among fans of those different versions. As a fan of Japanese DBZ, I've outright stopped talking about DBZ outside of this forum unless I'm with like-minded people or people I know won't give me shit for my preferences because a discussion almost inevitably leads to something that wasn't the same across our preferred versions, resulting in crossed signals at best and outright mockery at my expense at worst.
Fair. I meant it more generally. Specifically, that part, I was more trying to aim it at people who refuse to watch any version other than Funi's English dubs. People like that should really give the Japanese versions a try, or maybe even Ocean's dubs.Majin Buu wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:41 pm For the record, I have watched all of the Funi/Saban dub and over 3/4ths of the Funi dub (I dropped off in the middle of the Buu arc once we got the International Channel). Even after finding out about the Japanese version around the time of Season 3, I still had to watch the dub for longer than I would have liked because I couldn't afford to purchase fansubs.
I've watched more than enough of dubbed DBZ to know that I don't like it and prefer Japanese DBZ.
I mean, you kinda do have to accept them, in that they exist, and every version has its fans. You can dislike any version, but you can't deny the appeal of something that has as many fans as... Well, ANY version of Dragon Ball.
Criticise a version as you wish, ignore it, dislike it, but you can't deny it has some value.
The Faulconer score is beloved by a whole generation of fans. It's not just pure nostalgia; there are some bangers in that score, there's some interesting interweaving of themes, it has a somewhat charming sound from the low-budget synthesisers they had to use, and even though it drastically changed the tone compared to the original, different doesn't always mean bad.
Ideally, a dub would be an accurate English version of the original Japanese version, but in Dragon Ball, the dubs aren't just translations, they are different, divergent versions. Adaptations, perhaps. You don't have to like every version, but each and every version has its fans, who like it for their own reasons.
I rambled a bit there, but I think I got to the core of the issue...?
Sure.Majin Buu wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:41 pm There's a difference between criticizing a voice actor's performance and "shitting" on them. I'll disagree with those who criticize Nozawa's performance as Goku till the end of time, but I recognize that merely saying you don't like her as Adult Goku because she doesn't sound masculine enough isn't "shitting" on her.
Personally, I think Chris Sabat as Piccolo Daimao in Funi's dub doesn't quite have the eccentric, weird menace that Piccolo Daimao should have... That's not to say Chris Sabat is a bad actor, or Funi's casting directors at the time were bad at their jobs, or even that Chris Sabat gave a bad performance in the role (which he really didn't), I just personally think another approach, or another actor, would have been a closer analogue to the original intention of the character. Much like Freeza, though, they probably just didn't know how Piccolo Daimao is supposed to be, and specifically in this case how he is different from the Piccolo we know in Z, because of their limited exposure to the original Japanese version at the time.
That's a criticism of Chris Sabat as Piccolo Daimao. It would be easy for me to then take that and go "and therefore, because he didn't perform the role in the way I would prefer, he is shit." And many people do take it that far. I have in the past... But it's an immature, shitty way to act (and it's wrong anyway; Sabat is a fine actor, and even though Piccolo Daimao in Funi's dub has a very different feel from the original Japanese, he's a well-performed version of the version of the character Funi presented). And I'm kinda tired of this kind of attitude, y'know?...
IDK. When I've held a shitty attitude or point of view, I tend to get very worked up about that attitude in general once I realise how shitty it is.