SpiritBombTriumphant wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:35 am
Chris Sabat is a total assclown who has no respect for the integrity of the series by adding meme jokes, pop culture references, references to the original Z dub, and generally ruining the dub of Dragon Ball (ex. Super) with what he does. He should be fired as ADR director for this show and have Colleen Clinkenbeard replace him as she has said herself she sometimes gets too close to the original intent that it doesn't make sense.
I think you're being far too hard on the guy; realistically, I think his pushing for adding memes, references, jokes, and such are a genuine effort on his part to appeal to the existing fanbase. Naturally, we in the more hardcore fanbase find these changes annoying, and personally I don't think the casual fans particularly care either way, so I think it would be better to take a more faithful approach, but I think it is worth acknowledging that his changes come from the right place. Sabat does legitimately care about the show, about the fans, etc. It's just that we in the hardcore fandom don't particularly appreciate his way of expressing it in the show itself.
It's also worth noting that, from what little we've heard from the people working on Funi's home releases, the guys at Funi seriously do think the ugly "remastering" process they use on the Season BDs and 30th anniversary sets do improve the visuals. Naturally, I'd say they're uninformed, their tastes run counter to everything the fans actually want, and I wish they'd put that aside and have the show restored by a group who respect the integrity of the original production... But there's no malice here, just an honest effort that many (myself in particular) would argue was aimed at the wrong thing.
But, back onto Chris Sabat and the Funi dubs...
As I've noted before, it's fine to criticise his work on this dub; voicing that you don't like all these changes is fine, but I think calling him "a total assclown" who is "generally ruining the dub of Dragon Ball (ex. Super) with what he does" is just taking it too far. Someone doing work on something that you're not a fan of doesn't make them "an assclown", and I think it is major hyperbole to say he's "ruining the dub"; his push for the additions of these jokes certainly hurt the accuracy, and certainly in my opinion, it makes the dub worse, yes. But I think it would be amiss to call the modern Funi dubs anything less than acceptable. The soul of the show, the essence of the characters, the story itself, the spirit, etc. is generally represented very well in the modern material. That's not to say it's beyond criticism -- far from it, I still think Sean Schemmel's super-goofy take on Kaio robs the character of needed gravitas in places, I'm not a fan of Sabat's Piccolo Daimao, and the script changes still annoy me, that's all perfectly reasonable criticism... But I don't think an honest criticism of anything has any place for insulting the people behind it. No one sets out to make a bad piece of work; Schemmel voiced Kaio in a way that sounded like Don Brown back in the day, and has continued to do approximately that voice, with the attitude that he's an entertainer, he plays into the comedic side, and Chris Sabat played Piccolo Daimao as being like Piccolo, but darker, lower, more gutteral, etc... People try their best at any creative effort, which is good! And generally, people who try their best will constantly be trying to do better, so provided people don't just default to "lol gen fukunaga, chris sabat, and sean schemmel are an unholy trinity of evil monsters who ruined dragon ball forever", there's always the possibility that people like Chris Sabat, who do seriously love the show and care about the fans, will take the criticisms on board, and try a slightly different approach next time. But if all they see is "you ruined my favourite show! i hate you!", they're just gonna write it off as internet haters/trolls who aren't worth listening to.
Plus, it's just mean to insult people.
Just my two cents on that.
SpiritBombTriumphant wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:35 am
Also, Kikuchi is better than Faulconer solely for the fact that it is how the show was originally intended to be seen. I grew up with the Saban dub that changed to Funimation and heard the Faulconer team's score. I love it and think it's great, but as it is not what was meant to be heard for the show, Kikuchi all the way.
I'm a bit of a fanboy for a few of the replacement scores -- I love Peter Berring's one for the BLT dub, I love Ron Wasserman's one for the Saban dub, I love the admittedly-a-litte-repetitive-in-places Anitunes score on the Westwood dub, and while I have mixed feelings on Faulconer's score in the show, there are some legitimately great tracks, and the version of Faulconer's score that appears on the Legacy Of Goku games is god-tier...
But, the original > all else
lol I couldn't tell.
ArmenianPepsi wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:44 am
I'll add my own note on top of that. I myself actually prefer the Kikuchi replacement score for Kai. Even if it is admittedly kind of sloppily cut and pasted over, to me, it still fit the visuals more than Yamamoto's ever did. Yamamoto's music was good for the video games, but trying to retro-actively fit his style onto the anime just never won me over. Still though, if you prefer a different flavor of DB music to me, then I wont be one to try to stop you from enjoying it.
Personally, I can't enjoy the Yamamoto score, just because I know that every piece is fundamentally ripped off from something else without permission... The work is tainted to a degree that I just can't enjoy it.
But, even if I could put that aside, yeah, Kikuchi's work is ultimately THE
Dragon Ball score. It sucks that the time constraints on the rescoring made Kikuchi Kai a bit of a mess, but in fairness, the outcome is at least okay
. It doesn't stand up to the original Z score, but it's generally fine.
Much like Kai in Japanese, in general, it's nice to have this faster-paced version of the portions of the story that suffer the most from pacing issues, but in general, the presentation just isn't as good as original Z.