Scrapped ideas that never come to be ?

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

Well the other day I fall upon this picture



From what've heard it was for the Dragon Ball Z Movie 9 the one with Bojack. They looks like Vampire of some sort. Judging so by this picture we can obviously say that the original speech of the movie was slightly different than what we got. So do Dragon Ball as a whole as a lot of scrapped ideas like this one ? How many things Toei and Toriyama planed but never saw the light of the day ? I would love to have a full list of all the scrapped things that never come to be.

[Matches Malone]

The most popular one is Toriyama wanting Gero and android 19 to be the main villains of the arc, before changing his mind to androids 17 and 18, before changing his mind again to Cell.

[MasenkoHA]

The most popular one is Toriyama wanting Gero and android 19 to be the main villains of the arc, before changing his mind to androids 17 and 18, before changing his mind again to Cell.

I wouldn’t exactly call that scrapped as much as the story changing direction.

[Psajdak]

Gokus friends training on Kaios planet as if it actually mattered.

[ABED]

Gokus friends training on Kaios planet as if it actually mattered.

What does that mean?

The only other I can think of is Gohan becoming the lead for the remainder of the story.

[WittyUsername]

The big example that comes to mind is the original concept for Battle of Gods, before Toriyama came onboard.

[coola]

SSJ appears once per 1000 years, and is uncontrollable maniac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQtyRLdKmyI

[Xeogran]

Heck, I REMEMBER there being a thread on Kanzenshuu full of unused movie stuff, but I can't find it now.
Turles was supposed to have some different henchmen for one, there was even a scan of it.

Another one I know of is that Z Movie 12 was also supposed to have Cooler, Slug, Raditz and Nappa.

Spoiler:

Doubt they would amount to anything though, not enough runtime to be a threat. Guess they didn't want to ruin their reputation

[coola]

Heck, I REMEMBER there being a thread on Kanzenshuu full of unused movie stuff, but I can't find it now.
Turles was supposed to have some different henchmen for one, there was even a scan of it.

Another one I know of is that Z Movie 12 was also supposed to have Cooler, Slug, Raditz and Nappa.

Spoiler:

Doubt they would amount to anything though, not enough runtime to be a threat. Guess they didn't want to ruin their reputation

GT might pay homage to that

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I vaguely recall reading in an interview around the time of Battle of Gods Toriyama said he'd like Vegeta to have a huge role in the next movie. I'm sure the fact his involvement in writing these movies and the arcs in Super is minimal at best probably has something to do with that, and TOEI likely has a fear of Goku being overshadowed not being a good thing.

[Dbzfan94]

the Namekian Book of Legends

[Wizard Sesame]

The big example that comes to mind is the original concept for Battle of Gods, before Toriyama came onboard.

What else changed other than Beerus not being a lizard?

[LoganForkHands73]

The big example that comes to mind is the original concept for Battle of Gods, before Toriyama came onboard.

What else changed other than Beerus not being a lizard?

Quite a lot. From what we know, the tone was originally much darker, and Toriyama rewrote the whole thing from the ground up. Beerus was conceptualised as a purely evil god who spreads darkness to whoever he touches (kinda like Cumber, really), hence his name -- it was originally a play on "virus" because he was meant to have these viral abilities, but Toriyama being Toriyama thought they were making an alcoholic drink pun. Toei's Beerus apparently didn't have any comedic quirks at all.

I don't recall who exactly came up with the Super Saiyan God concept, but Yamamuro had very different plans for it than Toriyama to say the least. Yamamuro basically sketched out a Super Saiyan 3.5 with a gaudy cape, whereas Toriyama heavily insisted on the much more minimalist design we have now.

[WittyUsername]

The big example that comes to mind is the original concept for Battle of Gods, before Toriyama came onboard.

What else changed other than Beerus not being a lizard?

Quite a lot. From what we know, the tone was originally much darker, and Toriyama rewrote the whole thing from the ground up. Beerus was conceptualised as a purely evil god who spreads darkness to whoever he touches (kinda like Cumber, really), hence his name -- it was originally a play on "virus" because he was meant to have these viral abilities, but Toriyama being Toriyama thought they were making an alcoholic drink pun. Toei's Beerus apparently didn't have any comedic quirks at all.

I don't recall who exactly came up with the Super Saiyan God concept, but Yamamuro had very different plans for it than Toriyama to say the least. Yamamuro basically sketched out a Super Saiyan 3.5 with a gaudy cape, whereas Toriyama heavily insisted on the much more minimalist design we have now.

Yeah, Toei’s concept for BoG sounded much more inline with something like GT. I don’t know how successful it would’ve been, but it’s fair to say that it would’ve been much more divisive than the movie we ended up getting.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Perfect Cell almost had hair, SS3 almost had a tail, and Bubbles was almost a Panda.

[MasenkoHA]

The big example that comes to mind is the original concept for Battle of Gods, before Toriyama came onboard.

What else changed other than Beerus not being a lizard?

I think other than Beerus being Virus it was suppose to take place at 18 and Kuririn’s wedding instead of Bulma’s birthday party?

[Matches Malone]

What else changed other than Beerus not being a lizard?

1- The Movie was set during Krillin and 18's wedding.

2- Beerus was an evil lizard who infected planets with evil.

3- The Saiyans were originally good, but Beerus turned them evil.

4- Whis wasn't in the movie.

5- Vegeta's "my Bulma" scene wasn't in the movie.

6- Beerus turned everyone against Goku like how Baby did in GT.

7- SsjG would be muscular and have hair similar in length to Ssj4 with a cape.

8- Toriyama decided to have Goku lose the fight at the end to keep Beerus' image intact.

9- Toriyama told them to avoid destruction within the city to not remind people of the 2011 earthquake.

10- There were 3 original characters who stole the DBs, but Toriyama changed it to Pilaf and friends.

That's just what we know of, and as you can see, what we got was basically a completely different movie from what was pitched to Toriyama. This is why I wish Toriyama was this immersed in the stories that followed, as he can still write amazing and innovative stories when he puts his mind to it.

[XanatosVanBadass]

What else changed other than Beerus not being a lizard?

1- The Movie was set during Krillin and 18's wedding.

2- Beerus was an evil lizard who infected planets with evil.

3- The Saiyans were originally good, but Beerus turned them evil.

4- Whis wasn't in the movie.

5- Vegeta's "my Bulma" scene wasn't in the movie.

6- Beerus turned everyone against Goku like how Baby did in GT.

7- SsjG would be muscular and have hair similar in length to Ssj4 with a cape.

8- Toriyama decided to have Goku lose the fight at the end to keep Beerus' image intact.

9- Toriyama told them to avoid destruction within the city to not remind people of the 2011 earthquake.

10- There were 3 original characters who stole the DBs, but Toriyama changed it to Pilaf and friends.

That's just what we know of, and as you can see, what we got was basically a completely different movie from what was pitched to Toriyama. This is why I wish Toriyama was this immersed in the stories that followed, as he can still write amazing and innovative stories when he puts his mind to it.

It really sounds like the movie we would have gotten would’ve been little different than your generic DBZ movie from the ‘90s. Thank god Evolution made Toriyama cringe so hard he felt compelled to take action!

[Matches Malone]

Thank god Evolution made Toriyama cringe so hard he felt compelled to take action!

The only good thing to come from that train wreck.

[WittyUsername]

Speaking of DBE, there’s also the rejected script that Ben Ramsey wrote.

http://thedaoofdragonball.com/pdfs/drag ... script.pdf