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Post by MasenkoHA » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:10 pm

ABED wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:44 pm I prefer the battle oriented approach but that began in DB, not Z. I love me a tournament.
Yes 1000x. I prefer Dragon Ball over Z but not because "its more adventuristic" or whatever. I love a lot of the early humor and the anime had better pacing (though Z's poor pacing is more to do with the anime being too close to the manga by that point where Dragon Ball had the advantage of starting a little over a year after the manga started) and Goku as a child and the tournament arcs were always a blast. Though I'd glad Toriyama pretty much stopped after the 23rd Budokai as they really had nowhere to go after that.
As for the dirty humor, I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't cross a certain line. Muten Roshi loving exercise tapes gives me a chuckle and Kuririn convincing the world's greatest martial arts master who didn't seem to want to take on students to train him by giving him a stack of porno mags is still one of my favorite jokes.
Yes, I have no problem with Roshi being a dirty old man who likes looking at porno mags and suggestive aerobics videos its when we get to groping women when they're not paying attention or knocked out or asking for sexual favors from underaged girls in exchange for helping them that I have a problem.

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Post by ABED » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:16 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:10 pm es 1000x. I prefer Dragon Ball over Z but not because "its more adventuristic" or whatever. I love a lot of the early humor and the anime had better pacing (though Z's poor pacing is more to do with the anime being too close to the manga by that point where Dragon Ball had the advantage of starting a little over a year after the manga started) and Goku as a child and the tournament arcs were always a blast. Though I'd glad Toriyama pretty much stopped after the 23rd Budokai as they really had nowhere to go after that.
I was sure Goku was going to win the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:37 pm

Cipher wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:03 pmI think the flow of the series works as is. It's also not like you stop being introduced to new locations and characters in the later arcs. Maybe that's true of the Cell arc, but Namek takes us to entirely new planet, and the Boo arc introduces new deities and the Kaioshin Realm, which even becomes the setting of its climax.
The Cell arc introduced Mr. Satan, Room of Spirit and Time, and New Namek.
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Post by MyVisionity » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:57 pm

Not sure which I prefer exactly, because there's so much to enjoy from both and each are done so well. But I will say that I like how in DB you had the story alternate between adventure arcs and tournament arcs, so you get to see the characters go off and do whatever and then come back to a familiar setting. You can see how much the characters grow that way while keeping the audience excited. Z-era doesn't work that way but I don't mind since it was time to change things up.

As for the sexual humor in the earlier arcs, it's not for everyone, but it's okay to enjoy that kind of stuff even when it's problematic. It's more of a double edged sword in my view because while it carries with it some unhealthy messages, it also in many ways makes Dragon Ball what it is. I'm not sure if it can truly be separated from the series. Or if it could be, that it even should be.

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Post by ABED » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:33 pm

MyVisionity wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:57 pm Not sure which I prefer exactly, because there's so much to enjoy from both and each are done so well. But I will say that I like how in DB you had the story alternate between adventure arcs and tournament arcs, so you get to see the characters go off and do whatever and then come back to a familiar setting. You can see how much the characters grow that way while keeping the audience excited. Z-era doesn't work that way but I don't mind since it was time to change things up.

As for the sexual humor in the earlier arcs, it's not for everyone, but it's okay to enjoy that kind of stuff even when it's problematic. It's more of a double edged sword in my view because while it carries with it some unhealthy messages, it also in many ways makes Dragon Ball what it is. I'm not sure if it can truly be separated from the series. Or if it could be, that it even should be.
Dirty jokes are fine, great even, but there's a world of difference between a run of the mill harmless sex joke like Muten Roshi dressing himself and his students in lingerie to see Lunch in lingerie vs. Oolong drugging Bulma to fondle her when she was asleep. I don't think this is an example of a thread that would take the whole shirt with it if you pulled on it.
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Post by JewyB » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:34 am

So... We have another thread about how problematic Roshi is in Dragon Ball now? Do we have to prepare for this in every thread?

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Post by Vijay » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:08 am

JewyB wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:34 am So... We have another thread about how problematic Roshi is in Dragon Ball now? Do we have to prepare for this in every thread?
It's uneasy to see how ppl don't view joke as joke & make a big mountain out of a mole. It's as simple as take it or leave it

I'm one if those guys that found Roshi as "baddie" as 5-7 y/o kid. His lecherous acts & pervism is borderline vulgarity was what I thought. But that was then. Now as an adult, I lol hard so much so I enjoyed every single scene he's in. And I can perfectly understand as an adult how Toriyama created Roshi in his image & subsequent payoffs as a result of his lecherous acts are attacks/hits from Bulma/18/women. And dude is walking definition of what man should not do if he wants to get laid😂

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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:18 am

Dragon Ball isn't an 18+ erotica, it's a series for children. I don't think it is wrong for us adults to keep in mind a degree of objectivity and responsibility when discussing the series. Remain at least somewhat objective--it's not hard!!
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Post by JewyB » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:22 am

Being objective would be: Answering the question posed by the topic creator and not derailing the topic to something you feel is vaguely related.

I agree it shouldn't be too difficult.

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Post by KBABZ » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:05 am

JewyB wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:22 am Being objective would be: Answering the question posed by the topic creator and not derailing the topic to something you feel is vaguely related.
AS I SAID BEFORE, while the thread is about Z Battles vs DB Adventures, it isn't off-topic to consider the broader aspects each brings to the table as well. For OG-DB that includes Tournaments, meaningful side characters, and unfortunate sexual antics that are frequent enough to not ignore. For Z it's a stronger implementation of science fiction, truly world-shattering battles, and Villain Arcs and power ups becoming very much the norm.

It's honestly concerning that 90% of Dragon Ball fans are willing to ignore the sexual harassment not on the basis of "I need to to enjoy the show" but more "lol who cares I like it :lol: :lol: :lol:"

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Post by JewyB » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:24 am

KBABZ wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:05 am
JewyB wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:22 am Being objective would be: Answering the question posed by the topic creator and not derailing the topic to something you feel is vaguely related.
AS I SAID BEFORE, while the thread is about Z Battles vs DB Adventures, it isn't off-topic to consider the broader aspects each brings to the table as well. For OG-DB that includes Tournaments, meaningful side characters, and unfortunate sexual antics that are frequent enough to not ignore. For Z it's a stronger implementation of science fiction, truly world-shattering battles, and Villain Arcs and power ups becoming very much the norm.

It's honestly concerning that 90% of Dragon Ball fans are willing to ignore the sexual harassment not on the basis of "I need to to enjoy the show" but more "lol who cares I like it :lol: :lol: :lol:"
Its not ignoring it to say "Every single discusion doesn't need to be about this". If I went onto the Great british Bake Off forum(if it exists) and commented on every post about how gluten is bad, then got called out for it in a topic about "Do you like icing?" and said "Oh i see we cant discuss how awful gluten is on a cake message board, because you're all scared of it", I'm not the person winning here.

Its fine to discuss it, and acknowledge it, but this is a forum about Dragon Ball, so claiming anything's on topic if its about Dragon Ball doesn't work. If i jumped into the Dragon Ball Super Strength Thread and said "Man Roshi isn't strong he's a rapist", it would be just as off topic.

I'm not afraid of the topic, like you're implying, its just irrelevant here and there are other topics specifically to discuss this, so why does it need to be brought up in another topic where it doesn't hold any bearing?

"Do you like Goku or Gohan?" "I dont like Gohan because Rosh is a pervert." It's not relevant.

"Do you like the adventure tone or the battle tone?" "I dont like the adventure tone because Roshi is a pervert" Is about as relevant as it was above.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:30 am

JewyB wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:24 am

I'm not afraid of the topic, like you're implying, its just irrelevant here and there are other topics specifically to discuss this, so why does it need to be brought up in another topic where it doesn't hold any bearing? "I dont like the adventure tone because Roshi is a pervert" isn't relevant.

How in the hell is it not relevant? The discussion is “Do you like Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z better?”

PlanetNamek said he liked Z better because of the problematic nature of early Dragon Ball. He gave his reason for his answer to the topic question. It is relative.

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Post by JewyB » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:31 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:30 am How in the hell is it not relevant? The discussion is “Do you like Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z better?”

PlanetNamek said he liked Z better because of the problematic nature of early Dragon Ball. He gave his reason for his answer to the topic question. It is relative.
Because that... wasn't the question?

EDIT: Just to clarify, the question at its core is "Do you prefer Dragon Ball when its focuses on adventures or fighting?", not "Do you prefer Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z?"

We could ask OP if they were interested in having the Roshi conversation again though, if you think thats what they were actually asking about.

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Post by Planetnamek » Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:44 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:10 pm
ABED wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:44 pm I prefer the battle oriented approach but that began in DB, not Z. I love me a tournament.
Yes 1000x. I prefer Dragon Ball over Z but not because "its more adventuristic" or whatever. I love a lot of the early humor and the anime had better pacing (though Z's poor pacing is more to do with the anime being too close to the manga by that point where Dragon Ball had the advantage of starting a little over a year after the manga started) and Goku as a child and the tournament arcs were always a blast. Though I'd glad Toriyama pretty much stopped after the 23rd Budokai as they really had nowhere to go after that.
As for the dirty humor, I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't cross a certain line. Muten Roshi loving exercise tapes gives me a chuckle and Kuririn convincing the world's greatest martial arts master who didn't seem to want to take on students to train him by giving him a stack of porno mags is still one of my favorite jokes.
Yes, I have no problem with Roshi being a dirty old man who likes looking at porno mags and suggestive aerobics videos its when we get to groping women when they're not paying attention or knocked out or asking for sexual favors from underaged girls in exchange for helping them that I have a problem.
Yeah it's that creepy non-consenting stuff that weirds me out about original DB plus the gay jokes.
JewyB wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:31 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:30 am How in the hell is it not relevant? The discussion is “Do you like Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z better?”

PlanetNamek said he liked Z better because of the problematic nature of early Dragon Ball. He gave his reason for his answer to the topic question. It is relative.
Because that... wasn't the question?

EDIT: Just to clarify, the question at its core is "Do you prefer Dragon Ball when its focuses on adventures or fighting?", not "Do you prefer Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z?"

We could ask OP if they were interested in having the Roshi conversation again though, if you think thats what they were actually asking about.
It's plenty relevant to the discussion at hand, because DB's sexual humor is something that is very prevalent, sometimes it's funny but i'm sorry I can't pretend like the stuff that isn't funny isn't a main factor in why I prefer Z.
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Post by jjgp1112 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:05 pm

KBABZ wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:05 am
JewyB wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:22 am Being objective would be: Answering the question posed by the topic creator and not derailing the topic to something you feel is vaguely related.
AS I SAID BEFORE, while the thread is about Z Battles vs DB Adventures, it isn't off-topic to consider the broader aspects each brings to the table as well. For OG-DB that includes Tournaments, meaningful side characters, and unfortunate sexual antics that are frequent enough to not ignore. For Z it's a stronger implementation of science fiction, truly world-shattering battles, and Villain Arcs and power ups becoming very much the norm.

It's honestly concerning that 90% of Dragon Ball fans are willing to ignore the sexual harassment not on the basis of "I need to to enjoy the show" but more "lol who cares I like it :lol: :lol: :lol:"
🤷 It's just cartoons, man. I listen to music that glorifies abhorrent shit but the beats and the lyrics are dope. I don't endorse shooting drive-bys and selling drugs that destroy communities but I'll enjoy listening to Raekwon and Ghostface Killah talk about it with only a slight hint of remorse.

There's a seperation with entertainment that a lot of people have lost a bit.
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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:06 pm

Planetnamek wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:44 pm
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:10 pm
ABED wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:44 pm I prefer the battle oriented approach but that began in DB, not Z. I love me a tournament.
Yes 1000x. I prefer Dragon Ball over Z but not because "its more adventuristic" or whatever. I love a lot of the early humor and the anime had better pacing (though Z's poor pacing is more to do with the anime being too close to the manga by that point where Dragon Ball had the advantage of starting a little over a year after the manga started) and Goku as a child and the tournament arcs were always a blast. Though I'd glad Toriyama pretty much stopped after the 23rd Budokai as they really had nowhere to go after that.
As for the dirty humor, I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't cross a certain line. Muten Roshi loving exercise tapes gives me a chuckle and Kuririn convincing the world's greatest martial arts master who didn't seem to want to take on students to train him by giving him a stack of porno mags is still one of my favorite jokes.
Yes, I have no problem with Roshi being a dirty old man who likes looking at porno mags and suggestive aerobics videos its when we get to groping women when they're not paying attention or knocked out or asking for sexual favors from underaged girls in exchange for helping them that I have a problem.
Yeah it's that creepy non-consenting stuff that weirds me out about original DB plus the gay jokes.
JewyB wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:31 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:30 am How in the hell is it not relevant? The discussion is “Do you like Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z better?”

PlanetNamek said he liked Z better because of the problematic nature of early Dragon Ball. He gave his reason for his answer to the topic question. It is relative.
Because that... wasn't the question?

EDIT: Just to clarify, the question at its core is "Do you prefer Dragon Ball when its focuses on adventures or fighting?", not "Do you prefer Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z?"

We could ask OP if they were interested in having the Roshi conversation again though, if you think thats what they were actually asking about.
It's plenty relevant to the discussion at hand, because DB's sexual humor is something that is very prevalent, sometimes it's funny but i'm sorry I can't pretend like the stuff that isn't funny isn't a main factor in why I prefer Z.
I mean there's things like the infamous and really creepy pedo scene (I get it was the '80s but come on!!!) where it looks like General Blue is actually albeit briefly attracted to Obotchaman in the one Dr. Slump crossover episode and athough FUNi tried to cover it up with the whole "long lost brother" rewrite in the dub everything about the animation is a dead giveaway for what's really happening. As i've said before it's kind of like when Cloverway was having the script people include constant mentions that Amara/Haruka and Michiru/Michelle in Sailor Moon S were "cousins" every few seconds to hide their lesbian/lover relationship in the original though all the awkward blushing and such reactions by the other characters is so laughably obvious and gives the real meaning away.
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Post by It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:16 pm

The pervy stuff never bothered me. Pervy characters in DB always suffered for the things they tried to get away with. Now the Blue stuff is another story. Pedophilia just isn't ever going to be funny to me. There's definitely ways to do gay jokes that aren't creepy but early DB did not manage any of them.

And to answer the OP, I'm definitely in the minority here in that I prefer adventure over fighting. That's not to say I don't want to see fighting, I absolutely do. But usually what makes fights tense and dramatic to me are the things outsde the fight. Can Piccolo kill one of the Androids before Cell finds them? Can the adults depend on Gohan to rise above his age when the fighting starts? Adventure stories on the hand, I usually find fun in and of themselves. Looking for a mystical jewel inside a sunk pirate ship? Bitchin'. A talking rabbit who can turn people into carrots? Makes no damn sense but boy does it compel me!
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:05 pm It's just cartoons, man. I listen to music that glorifies abhorrent shit but the beats and the lyrics are dope. I don't endorse shooting drive-bys and selling drugs that destroy communities but I'll enjoy listening to Raekwon and Ghostface Killah talk about it with only a slight hint of remorse.

There's a seperation with entertainment that a lot of people have lost a bit.
I don't think the seperation has ever existed. Even in the edge filled decade that was the 90s you had Oasis shit talking Nirvana because they thought the depressing nature of Nirvana's music was bad for kids. The closest to that ideal we ever got was the British punk scene in the late 70s and that fell apart when actual neo-Nazis started showing up to concerts.
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Post by Planetnamek » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:57 pm

It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:16 pm The pervy stuff never bothered me. Pervy characters in DB always suffered for the things they tried to get away with. Now the Blue stuff is another story. Pedophilia just isn't ever going to be funny to me. There's definitely ways to do gay jokes that aren't creepy but early DB did not manage any of them.

And to answer the OP, I'm definitely in the minority here in that I prefer adventure over fighting. That's not to say I don't want to see fighting, I absolutely do. But usually what makes fights tense and dramatic to me are the things outsde the fight. Can Piccolo kill one of the Androids before Cell finds them? Can the adults depend on Gohan to rise above his age when the fighting starts? Adventure stories on the hand, I usually find fun in and of themselves. Looking for a mystical jewel inside a sunk pirate ship? Bitchin'. A talking rabbit who can turn people into carrots? Makes no damn sense but boy does it compel me!
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:05 pm It's just cartoons, man. I listen to music that glorifies abhorrent shit but the beats and the lyrics are dope. I don't endorse shooting drive-bys and selling drugs that destroy communities but I'll enjoy listening to Raekwon and Ghostface Killah talk about it with only a slight hint of remorse.

There's a seperation with entertainment that a lot of people have lost a bit.
I don't think the seperation has ever existed. Even in the edge filled decade that was the 90s you had Oasis shit talking Nirvana because they thought the depressing nature of Nirvana's music was bad for kids. The closest to that ideal we ever got was the British punk scene in the late 70s and that fell apart when actual neo-Nazis started showing up to concerts.
There's also been some controversy over books like 50 Shades of Gray which resulted in people getting injured in real life trying to imitate the bondage stuff that was in the book.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:10 pm

JewyB wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:31 am
EDIT: Just to clarify, the question at its core is "Do you prefer Dragon Ball when its focuses on adventures or fighting?", not "Do you prefer Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z?"

But thar’s not what the OP said. She didn’t say “Do you like Dragon Ball when its battle oriented or focuses on adventure” She asked if fans preferred the battle oriented style of Z or the adventure aspect of Dragon Ball”

The very question is fundamentally flawed because Dragon Ball isn’t a pure adventure series and becomes a battle oriented series by the second arc. Even if we count the RRA arc as more “adventure” geared more than half of the original Dragon Ball is far more focused on fighting than adventure.

And that’s why taking the OP’s topic question at face value just doesn’t work (no offense to the OP) I like Dragon Ball as an action series over an adventure series. I honestly think the first arc is the weakest arc of the entire original story (and it always annoys me how fans treat the most boring and uninteresting part of the first anime as if it defines the entire pre-Z series) and that the series gets so so much better when Toriyama switches gears to focus more on the action and martial arts, which, again, happens in the second arc.

But guess what? I prefer the original Dragon Ball. The pacing is better. I like Goku far better as a kid than as an adult (and I like him as a kid better than I like Gohan or Goten) I enjoy the humor better (the more predatory stuff aside) and all the arcs in Z feel like retreads of the Piccolo Daimao arc which did it first and best. Plus I think the overall cast is handled better in the first series. For all my issues with Roshi’s sexual predator tendencies he’s a phenomenal character when done right and the 21st and 22nd Tenkaichi Tournaments as well as the Piccolo Daimao arc showcase this far better than anything in Z.

And that’s why the OP’s question does not work. So, if she’s going to make a distinction between the original Dragon Ball and Z it’s absolutely fair game for members to factor each series as a whole. And in PlanetNamek’s case the sexual predator humor in og Dragon Ball is enough to impact his enjoyment to where he prefers Z better and he’s well within his right to do so when the question essentially ask “Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z?”


TL:DR: The OP asked Dragon Ball or Z and PlanetNamek gave his, valid, reasons for liking Z better

We could ask OP if they were interested in having the Roshi conversation again though, if you think thats what they were actually asking about.
Literally nobody said she’s specifically asking about Roshi. Your stawmanning is terrible.
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Post by It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:40 pm

Planetnamek wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:57 pm There's also been some controversy over books like 50 Shades of Gray which resulted in people getting injured in real life trying to imitate the bondage stuff that was in the book.
See that's why I think a live and let live attitude towards fiction/media is a good thing. It's really hard to get audiences to seperate the story from reality no matter how obvious you make it. Even someone with a cursory understanding of BDSM should know not to try the stuff they read in a poorly written, trashy novel. But that's not how people work. People ignore every content warning and "don't try this at home!" this see. So writers (and artists and whoever) are in a sort of impossible situation where whatever they create is going to have some unintended consequence.

Now I do think artists should exercise some common sense when creating but, ultimately, artists also need to feel empowered to explore their craft otherwise we're not gonna get new art.
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