How terrible was Vegeta pre-Android Saga

[Hellspawn28]

He was always a bad person until the Buu saga. I feel like it was not until he choose to blow himself up when he realize on how bad of a person that he was. He probably lives on Earth because he has no reason to leave.

[DragonBallFoodie]

He was genocide-level terrible, but because he was a former royal and slave to Freeza there's enough leeway for him to be an anti-hero/anti-villain.

He's the kind of anti-hero who doesn't care for redemption, though. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you.

[Kinokima]

He was planning on destroying Earth to sell it. It's safe to say that wasn't the first time and even if it were, that's bad enough.

Goku was sent to Earth as a child to destroy it because it was such a low level planet (well Minus complicates things)

I think Vegeta’s only interest in Earth was the Dragon Balls


Vegeta destroyed planets but he most likely destroyed ones where the inhabitants could put up a fight. He would have been too powerful to be interested in Earth. But from the way Raditz talked they probably destroyed a lot of planets as that was their “job”. We only later learned the Saiyans did this under Freeza’s order.


And note even Raditz did not come initially to destroy Earth. He was surprised Goku had not done it yet but he came there to recruit his brother to destroy a more powerful planet (we never learn what this planet is. But I guess it got lucky.)

[MasenkoHA]

Goku was sent to Earth as a child to destroy it because it was such a low level planet (well Minus complicates things)

Goku wasn’t given any say of the matter he was in infant. How is that even an argument?

I think Vegeta’s only interest in Earth was the Dragon Balls

Right....to gain eternal life so he could usurp Freeza and take his place. Why do you think Vegeta wanted immortality? To focus on his rap career?

Vegeta destroyed planets but he most likely destroyed ones where the inhabitants could put up a fight. He would have been too powerful to be interested in Earth. But from the way Raditz talked they probably destroyed a lot of planets as that was their “job”. We only later learned the Saiyans did this under Freeza’s order.

He’s considered higher class and would be assigned to planets whose inhabitants had higher battle power. Yes. That doesn’t make him less evil. He had no qualms with slaughtering a Namek village or wiping out earth.

And note even Raditz did not come initially to destroy Earth. He was surprised Goku had not done it yet but he came there to recruit his brother to destroy a more powerful planet (we never learn what this planet is)

And he was pissed Goku hadn’t wiped out the earth yet. He’s not less evil because he assumed his weaker brother would have taken care of the job.



They’re not avoiding these weaker planets because of some “moral code” they’re just not concern because planets like earth are left to the lower class.

[Kinokima]

Goku was sent to Earth as a child to destroy it because it was such a low level planet (well Minus complicates things)

Goku wasn’t given any say of the matter he was in infant. How is that even an argument?

I think Vegeta’s only interest in Earth was the Dragon Balls

Right....to gain eternal life so he could usurp Freeza and take his place. Why do you think Vegeta wanted immortality? To focus on his rap career?

Vegeta destroyed planets but he most likely destroyed ones where the inhabitants could put up a fight. He would have been too powerful to be interested in Earth. But from the way Raditz talked they probably destroyed a lot of planets as that was their “job”. We only later learned the Saiyans did this under Freeza’s order.

He’s considered higher class and would be assigned to planets whose inhabitants had higher battle power. Yes. That doesn’t make him less evil. He had no qualms with slaughtering a Namek village or wiping out earth.

And note even Raditz did not come initially to destroy Earth. He was surprised Goku had not done it yet but he came there to recruit his brother to destroy a more powerful planet (we never learn what this planet is)

And he was pissed Goku hadn’t wiped out the earth yet. He’s not less evil because he assumed his weaker brother would have taken care of the job.



They’re not avoiding these weaker planets because of some “moral code” they’re just not concern because planets like earth are left to the lower class.

You are arguing with me about points that I am not even making. Did I claim that this made Vegeta and Raditz less evil anywhere? Or that Goku was guilty of anything?

Where the hell did I mention moral code? You are putting words in my post that were not there.


I just said Vegeta & Raditz would generally have no interest in a place like Earth because it was beneath them. I wasn’t trying to claim this made them “less evil “.

Note I was replying to the point of Vegeta wanting to destroy Earth to sell it. Not questioning if he was evil. Generally destroying planets and exterminating the life force whether they can put up a fight or not is pretty evil.

[precita]

There is still no proof Vegeta himself ever went to wipe out planets. And killing a bunch of bug people isn't exactly the greatest atrocity either.

Given Vegeta allowed Nappa to do all the work on Earth, it's also likely the same thing happened on other worlds. Vegeta would sit idly while Nappa would get his hands dirty.

Nappa paid for his crimes.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

There is still no proof Vegeta himself ever went to wipe out planets. And killing a bunch of bug people isn't exactly the greatest atrocity either.

It's his backstory and committing genocide against a sentient species that you then feed on is pretty atrocious.

[jjgp1112]

There is still no proof Vegeta himself ever went to wipe out planets. And killing a bunch of bug people isn't exactly the greatest atrocity either.

Given Vegeta allowed Nappa to do all the work on Earth, it's also likely the same thing happened on other worlds. Vegeta would sit idly while Nappa would get his hands dirty.

Nappa paid for his crimes.

Oh, okay...so now it doesn't count when the victims look like insects. Makes prefect sense.

I guess the Namekians don't count too, since they look like slugs.

[precita]

The Arlians weren't exactly an innocent race. Remember that big bug monster they unleashed on Vegeta/Nappa halfway through the episode?

[jjgp1112]

The Arlians weren't exactly an innocent race. Remember that big bug monster they unleashed on Vegeta/Nappa halfway through the episode?

...they weren't eating Arlians when we first see Vegeta.

And filler aside, Vegeta and Nappa went to Arlia with the specific purpose of killing everyone as a detour.

[DBZAOTA482]

Right....to gain eternal life so he could usurp Freeza and take his place. Why do you think Vegeta wanted immortality? To focus on his rap career?

Originally he just wanted immortality so he can enjoy fighting forever. His motives changed once Freeza came into the picture.

[jjgp1112]

Right....to gain eternal life so he could usurp Freeza and take his place. Why do you think Vegeta wanted immortality? To focus on his rap career?

Originally he just wanted immortality so he can enjoy fighting forever. His motives changed once Freeza came into the picture.

The Saiyans were also presented as independent businessman with Vegeta having apparently been a guy so overwhelmingly strong that they just went and named the whole planet after him. A lot of stuff was retconned once Toriyama brought Frieza into the picture.

[ABED]

He was genocide-level terrible, but because he was a former royal and slave to Freeza there's enough leeway for him to be an anti-hero/anti-villain.

He's the kind of anti-hero who doesn't care for redemption, though. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you.

I wouldn't call him a slave. He did what he did willingly and he was more of a lieutenant.

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

Right....to gain eternal life so he could usurp Freeza and take his place. Why do you think Vegeta wanted immortality? To focus on his rap career?

Originally he just wanted immortality so he can enjoy fighting forever. His motives changed once Freeza came into the picture.

The Saiyans were also presented as independent businessman with Vegeta having apparently been a guy so overwhelmingly strong that they just went and named the whole planet after him. A lot of stuff was retconned once Toriyama brought Frieza into the picture.

But at no point was his eager and willing participation in multiple xenocides (some 10,000 powerlevels worth of fights XD) ever retconned.

Vegeta had picked up so much bad karma it took him helping out the god overseeing his realm of existence and truly desperate circumstances just to balance out the scales. That's impressive. Who else in the great pantheon of shonen bad boys can you say that about? I figure even Hisoka would have a better chance at heaven than pre-Buu Vegeta.

[jjgp1112]

Originally he just wanted immortality so he can enjoy fighting forever. His motives changed once Freeza came into the picture.

The Saiyans were also presented as independent businessman with Vegeta having apparently been a guy so overwhelmingly strong that they just went and named the whole planet after him. A lot of stuff was retconned once Toriyama brought Frieza into the picture.

But at no point was his eager and willing participation in multiple xenocides (some 10,000 powerlevels worth of fights XD) ever retconned.

Vegeta had picked up so much bad karma it took him helping out the god overseeing his realm of existence and truly desperate circumstances just to balance out the scales. That's impressive. Who else in the great pantheon of shonen bad boys can you say that about? I figure even Hisoka would have a better chance at heaven than pre-Buu Vegeta.

I...know? That's exactly what I've been saying up and down this thread. I didn't say the retcons applied to that, just AOTA's assertion about Vegeta's motives for immortality changed. It was more a retcon than Vegeta changing his mind because Toriyama changed a lot of details about the Saiyans post-Earth

[It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips]

I...know? That's exactly what I've been saying up and down this thread. I didn't say the retcons applied to that, just AOTA's assertion about Vegeta's motives for immortality changed. It was more a retcon than Vegeta changing his mind because Toriyama changed a lot of details about the Saiyans post-Earth

Not disagreeing with you.

[jjgp1112]

I...know? That's exactly what I've been saying up and down this thread. I didn't say the retcons applied to that, just AOTA's assertion about Vegeta's motives for immortality changed. It was more a retcon than Vegeta changing his mind because Toriyama changed a lot of details about the Saiyans post-Earth

Not disagreeing with you.

Gotcha, no problem.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

There is still no proof Vegeta himself ever went to wipe out planets. And killing a bunch of bug people isn't exactly the greatest atrocity either.

Given Vegeta allowed Nappa to do all the work on Earth, it's also likely the same thing happened on other worlds. Vegeta would sit idly while Nappa would get his hands dirty.

Nappa paid for his crimes.

Killing people is still killing people, are you a genocide apologist?

[ABED]

I guess you could consider Vegeta's goal of using the DB's to eventually surpass Freeza as a retcon, but I don't see that as the case. Wanting to best Freeza and fight forever aren't antithetical and Freeza does represent a huge impediment to Vegeta's goals.

[90sDBZ]

You have to wonder how Vegeta would have been had he succeeded in gaining immortality and ruling the universe. In the long run would he really have enjoyed it? How ruthless would he be compared to Frieza? Would he eventually get bored of it due to not having a challenge?

For some reason I feel the role wouldn't fit him quite like Frieza.

I feel a similar way about Piccolo Jr. It would be strange to imagine him ruling over earth and relishing every moment like King Piccolo did. He's ultimately a guy who enjoys being alone meditating, so it's hard to picture him sitting on a throne laughing maniacally in front of the whole world.

That scene at the tournament were people recognize him and he starts laughing is interesting. He initially seems irritated, and even slightly uncomfortable. Then he forces himself to go into "King Piccolo mode" and does an evil laugh while boasting about who he is. It felt like he was just sort of playing the role. Vegeta is similarly a moody loner by nature, so I can see him tiring of ruling an empire.