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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by Koitsukai » Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:00 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:51 am
ABED wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:24 am Is he in his early 30s? I thought Kuririn was in his late 20s? He's about 19 at the 23rd TB, 24 when Raditz arrives, 25 when Nappa and Vegeta arrive, maybe 26 when Goku returns from Namek, and 29 if that against Cell.
Depending on Gohan’s age really. The anime specified him as 11 in his birthday episode which would make Kuririn 31. The manga had Gohan as 16 in the Boo arc making him 9 during Cell and Kuririn 29.
But wasn't that because they were trying to celebrate Gohan's BF from the "year" he spent on the ROSAT? IDK, I haven't seen that episode for a while.

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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by ABED » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:00 pm

They were celebrating Gohan's biological age after spending time in the RoSaT.

Regardless, the cyborgs aren't given ages and 30 is not ancient, it's still very young. Jesus, of all the things to criticize.
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by goku the krump dancer » Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:17 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:52 am
goku the krump dancer wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:15 am Age gap dating is a common thing though, sure an 18 year old dating a 30 something might seem fishy but it’s legal (and happens way more than you might think). Hell, Undertaker is 15 years older than Michele McCool, granted they were both well into adult hood when they started dating.
It might seem fishy because it is fishy. A 30 year old dating a barely legal teen is scuzzy and gross af.
I mean... you don't have to like it. I pointed it out though because someone else Krillin being a lot older than #18 and marrying her is in common with Dragon Ball's theme, which I thought was weird considering, that Goku and ChiChi are similar ages, as with Bulma and Vegeta and to top it off Age Gap dating is common in the real world, its not some DB exclusive undertone or something.
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by MyVisionity » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:28 pm

I think a 30 year old dating a kid definitely raises some flags. Who cares how young 30 is when the other character is a teenager?

To be fair though, I guess it's possible that while they are physically teenagers, mentally might be a different story depending upon how long they have been converted.

goku the krump dancer wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:17 pm I pointed it out though because someone else Krillin being a lot older than #18 and marrying her is in common with Dragon Ball's theme, which I thought was weird considering, that Goku and ChiChi are similar ages, as with Bulma and Vegeta and to top it off Age Gap dating is common in the real world, its not some DB exclusive undertone or something.
It is fitting for the series because a big part of DB is about older men lusting after teenage girls and younger women. Inappropriate relationships and questionable behavior in general is a recurring aspect in the series. If the age gap comes off a little skewed, it's because Dragon Ball is a little skewed.

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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by Cursed Lemon » Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:53 pm

A 30-year-old man dating an 18-year-old woman is indeed gross as fuck but in this situation 1) #18 gives off serious mom energy, and 2) she can kick Krillin's ass.
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

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MyVisionity wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:28 pm
goku the krump dancer wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:17 pm I pointed it out though because someone else Krillin being a lot older than #18 and marrying her is in common with Dragon Ball's theme, which I thought was weird considering, that Goku and ChiChi are similar ages, as with Bulma and Vegeta and to top it off Age Gap dating is common in the real world, its not some DB exclusive undertone or something.
It is fitting for the series because a big part of DB is about older men lusting after teenage girls and younger women. Inappropriate relationships and questionable behavior in general is a recurring aspect in the series. If the age gap comes off a little skewed, it's because Dragon Ball is a little skewed.
That's literally just Roshi, a guy who's only a major character for like 3 arcs. Even then his antics are one offs, meaning he does something pervy, gets slapped around then its over with. Never has it ever been the basis of any storyline. How in the world did you come to that conclusion.
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

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goku the krump dancer wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:24 am
MyVisionity wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:28 pm
goku the krump dancer wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 3:17 pm I pointed it out though because someone else Krillin being a lot older than #18 and marrying her is in common with Dragon Ball's theme, which I thought was weird considering, that Goku and ChiChi are similar ages, as with Bulma and Vegeta and to top it off Age Gap dating is common in the real world, its not some DB exclusive undertone or something.
It is fitting for the series because a big part of DB is about older men lusting after teenage girls and younger women. Inappropriate relationships and questionable behavior in general is a recurring aspect in the series. If the age gap comes off a little skewed, it's because Dragon Ball is a little skewed.
That's literally just Roshi, a guy who's only a major character for like 3 arcs. Even then his antics are one offs, meaning he does something pervy, gets slapped around then its over with. Never has it ever been the basis of any storyline. How in the world did you come to that conclusion.
Because nowadays people will find some way to turn every thread into a discussion about Master Roshi
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by Koitsukai » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:33 am

Yeah, that description fits perfectly with Ranma 1/2, not DB

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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

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Cursed Lemon wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:53 pm A 30-year-old man dating an 18-year-old woman is indeed gross as fuck but in this situation 1) #18 gives off serious mom energy, and 2) she can kick Krillin's ass.
Let's not forget that she kissed him first
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:40 am

jjgp1112 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:26 am Because nowadays people will find some way to turn every thread into a discussion about Master Roshi
Roshi is an example of how DB treats topics like sex. He's also Krillin's literal mentor. Why shouldn't he be brought up when talking about Krillin's eventual outlook on sex and relationships?

Also, this whole thing started when people got offended over Krillin being (rightly) called a bit of a simp. Maybe you're the ones who are a little too sensitive.
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

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PurestEvil wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:04 am
Cursed Lemon wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:53 pm A 30-year-old man dating an 18-year-old woman is indeed gross as fuck but in this situation 1) #18 gives off serious mom energy, and 2) she can kick Krillin's ass.
Let's not forget that she kissed him first
Great point! especially considering thats how their whole dynamic got started.
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jjgp1112 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:26 am Because nowadays people will find some way to turn every thread into a discussion about Master Roshi
Roshi is an example of how DB treats topics like sex. He's also Krillin's literal mentor. Why shouldn't he be brought up when talking about Krillin's eventual outlook on sex and relationships?
Sex isn't an integral part of the story, so how should it be treated? Also you're allowed to have multiple mentors for different things, there's no One Shoe Fits All when it comes to mentorship. Krillin sought out Roshi for Martial Arts purposes not dating advice, he also somehow knew Roshi was a perv, seeing as though he came prepared with a stack of porn mags to help sway him.
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

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It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:40 am
jjgp1112 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:26 am Because nowadays people will find some way to turn every thread into a discussion about Master Roshi
Roshi is an example of how DB treats topics like sex. He's also Krillin's literal mentor. Why shouldn't he be brought up when talking about Krillin's eventual outlook on sex and relationships?

Also, this whole thing started when people got offended over Krillin being (rightly) called a bit of a simp. Maybe you're the ones who are a little too sensitive.
...Where did I say anybody was being sensitive?
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips » Mon Apr 26, 2021 12:32 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:51 am
It_Is_Ayna_You_Flips wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:40 am
jjgp1112 wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:26 am Because nowadays people will find some way to turn every thread into a discussion about Master Roshi
Roshi is an example of how DB treats topics like sex. He's also Krillin's literal mentor. Why shouldn't he be brought up when talking about Krillin's eventual outlook on sex and relationships?
Sex isn't an integral part of the story, so how should it be treated? Also you're allowed to have multiple mentors for different things, there's no One Shoe Fits All when it comes to mentorship. Krillin sought out Roshi for Martial Arts purposes not dating advice, he also somehow knew Roshi was a perv, seeing as though he came prepared with a stack of porn mags to help sway him.
Krillin has not had multiple mentors or masters. He's had Roshi. Since he was thirteen the only parental figure in Krillin's life has been the Turtle Hermit. It shouldn't be controversial to say that Roshi has likely had a huge influence on Krillin's overall outlook.

But beyond that, Roshi is a good example of how DB treats vices and situations that would be uncomfortable in the real world. Which is what makes him relevant to whether a 30 year old screwing a 18/19 year old is in keeping with the tone of the series. Irl it's weird when a thirty year old hooks up with a woman who can't legally drink. In Dragon Ball nobody even bats an eye.
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by MyVisionity » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:52 pm

Dragon Ball is all about questionable behavior because it comes out of Toriyama's offbeat mind. Things that wouldn't fly in the real world are written into the series. That's really what the Kuririn/18 age gap represents.

As for the perverted aspects, it's not solely Roshi, as we see many perverts and many inappropriate incidents throughout the series. It was a part of the story before Roshi even appears, since the very start. It's baked into the series' DNA.

Sex and Dragon Ball are inseparable, even if it's largely a background component. As mentioned previously, Roshi is Kuririn's mentor, much more so than Goku's. He lived with the guy his whole life, even after he had a family! And he definitely sought out Roshi for more than the martial arts, as one does. Kuririn wanted WOMEN, and he was going to learn whatever he could from his master. And we've seen him connect with Roshi in perverted thinking before.

PurestEvil wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:04 am Let's not forget that she kissed him first
This...... doesn't really excuse anything and is actually a little troubling to be honest.

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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by jjgp1112 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:01 pm

Aside from his inferiority complex and general unluckiness, Krillin is a vastly different character from the 23rd TB onward. He has nothing in common with the arrogant kid who tried winning Roshi over with smut rags.

And aside from apparently one line, any perceived age gap or yuckiness is never once brought up
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by LoganForkHands73 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:39 pm

I don't think it's that yucky anyway. Even back when they were always called brats, I never really thought of the Androids as teenagers, especially since they were evidently older than they looked due to being kept in Gero's lab for years. From every arc onwards, #18 is coded as a mature woman. Part of the gag of Kuririn and #18's relationship is that he's impish and femininely-voiced enough to be mistaken for her child sometimes.

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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

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MyVisionity wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:52 pm
PurestEvil wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:04 am Let's not forget that she kissed him first
This...... doesn't really excuse anything and is actually a little troubling to be honest.
It establishes how flipped the power dynamic is. The only thing troubling here is Krillin nearly being humiliated by an "18 year old"
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by Koitsukai » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:36 pm

Kinda unfair to assume Lazuli's age when nobody knows it and judge it by what YOU think her age is.

We don't know when they were kidnapped by Gero, how long it took to turn them into cyborgs, how many years they spent in stasis or whatever Gero did to them after they were finished. So if their numbers are any indication of their age, and if we assume(because why not, this discussion is based on an assumption) they were already kidnapped when Trunks came back and killed Freeza, she could be at the very least 21.
But if you factor in that he made android 19 and made himself into one, the twins probably were kidnapped much earlier than the 3 years prior to the arc. Making them much older than 21.

They could've been kidnapped during Dragon Ball.

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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by Grimlock » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:53 pm

And the huge possibility that Kuririn and Android 18 didn't get together in AGE 767.

Also, if we factor in the information that Marron is three years old in Majin Buu saga, that would mean she was born in AGE 771. That leaves room for them only having got together by AGE 770, for all we know. That's just a plus of three years after Cell saga.

There's literally no problem about Kuririn and Android 18's relationship, at all.
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Re: Most Overrated Character (Besides Goku and Vegeta)?

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:13 pm

Android 17 & 18 as in the Cell Arc. They're not interesting characters and are wasted and only used as devices to power-up Cell.
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