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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by jjgp1112 » Fri May 14, 2021 4:36 pm

super michael wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:18 pm Chapter 245 I took of the link since it didn't work, I took photo but I can't see option to upload it.
Chi Chi gives in and allow Gohan to go to Namek, despite being a peaceful planet. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

Chapter 336
Chi Chi gives in and allow Gohan to train with Goku and Piccolo. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

Chapter 366
Chi Chi even says there is no point trying to stop Goku and lets Goku train with Gohan in the ROSAT. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

http://mangareader.cc/chapter/dragon-ba ... ter-427#12
http://mangareader.cc/chapter/dragon-ba ... ter-427#13
Chi Chi gave no trouble on Gohan going to the tournament to compete and even said he can go to school later.

Chapter 428
Chi Chi trained Goten personally, that is something you won't see in DBS Anime.

https://youtu.be/iAyQ96ymghQ
Here in Yo SOn Goku Ova we see Chi Chi and Bulma happy they get to see Goten and Trunks fight villains.

https://youtu.be/iAyQ96ymghQ?t=1304
Here we see Chi Chi being excited that Goten landed a hit on the villains.


Now comes DBS and all we get are these:
https://youtu.be/9G3uaW8bpeo?t=56
Goten wanted to go to Whis planet and no matter what Goten said, the answer was no. Chi Chi gave poor excuse. When Goku and Goten sneaks away, Chi Chi alerts Bulma to stop them. Bulma would then need to talk to Chi Chi. Chi Chi didn't even trust Goku to make any call.

Goku was looking for opponent to spar, just because Gohan suggest Goten to spar with Goku his own father, Chi Chi wanted to murder Gohan. I would put the video but looks like it was deleted. Here is the full episode from Crunchyroll a official website https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... nds-723763
At 4:12 Gohan suggest Goten to train, since he was retired from fighting.

https://youtu.be/l6yQ8FojL-A
Goten wants to race with Goku and Piccolo to see who picks up the most vegetable which is fun and training, but no Chi Chi forbids it.

See you don't see Chi Chi compromise or give in a little. It has to be Chi Chi way or nothing.
Your logic always seems to be that if a character makes one decision they have to make that same decision in every single situation or it's out of character.

In the manga examples, Chi-Chi is willing to relent only because she eventually realizes the stakes even if she doesn't want Gohan to be involved with it all. And in the case of the tournament, she lets Gohan take a break because of the money he could win. Goten, there aren't any stakes. She even says in one of those clips, "There's no bad guy that needs to be stopped!"
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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by super michael » Fri May 14, 2021 5:12 pm

jjgp1112 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 4:36 pm
super michael wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:18 pm Chapter 245 I took of the link since it didn't work, I took photo but I can't see option to upload it.
Chi Chi gives in and allow Gohan to go to Namek, despite being a peaceful planet. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

Chapter 336
Chi Chi gives in and allow Gohan to train with Goku and Piccolo. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

Chapter 366
Chi Chi even says there is no point trying to stop Goku and lets Goku train with Gohan in the ROSAT. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

http://mangareader.cc/chapter/dragon-ba ... ter-427#12
http://mangareader.cc/chapter/dragon-ba ... ter-427#13
Chi Chi gave no trouble on Gohan going to the tournament to compete and even said he can go to school later.

Chapter 428
Chi Chi trained Goten personally, that is something you won't see in DBS Anime.

https://youtu.be/iAyQ96ymghQ
Here in Yo SOn Goku Ova we see Chi Chi and Bulma happy they get to see Goten and Trunks fight villains.

https://youtu.be/iAyQ96ymghQ?t=1304
Here we see Chi Chi being excited that Goten landed a hit on the villains.


Now comes DBS and all we get are these:
https://youtu.be/9G3uaW8bpeo?t=56
Goten wanted to go to Whis planet and no matter what Goten said, the answer was no. Chi Chi gave poor excuse. When Goku and Goten sneaks away, Chi Chi alerts Bulma to stop them. Bulma would then need to talk to Chi Chi. Chi Chi didn't even trust Goku to make any call.

Goku was looking for opponent to spar, just because Gohan suggest Goten to spar with Goku his own father, Chi Chi wanted to murder Gohan. I would put the video but looks like it was deleted. Here is the full episode from Crunchyroll a official website https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... nds-723763
At 4:12 Gohan suggest Goten to train, since he was retired from fighting.

https://youtu.be/l6yQ8FojL-A
Goten wants to race with Goku and Piccolo to see who picks up the most vegetable which is fun and training, but no Chi Chi forbids it.

See you don't see Chi Chi compromise or give in a little. It has to be Chi Chi way or nothing.
Your logic always seems to be that if a character makes one decision they have to make that same decision in every single situation or it's out of character.

In the manga examples, Chi-Chi is willing to relent only because she eventually realizes the stakes even if she doesn't want Gohan to be involved with it all. And in the case of the tournament, she lets Gohan take a break because of the money he could win. Goten, there aren't any stakes. She even says in one of those clips, "There's no bad guy that needs to be stopped!"
When Chi Chi says "There's no bad guy that needs to be stopped!" that is what I mean that it is a poor excuse. There was RoF that destroyed the earth and Zamasu that killed Future Goten and Future Chi Chi. By thinking "don't train because there is no villain" is how they end up weak. So what to train there has to something at stake? No that isn't how it works.

There was nothing at stake when Chi Chi trained Goten herself and there was no money involved when she trained Goten herself.

Here another thing, why isn't Goku allowed to make decision for Goten? Why isn't Goten words enough and why must he shout? Even sneaking out isn't enough for Chi Chi to get the message.

All I know is in-universe Goten is weak thanks to his parents forbidding him.

Fair enough about there was something at stake, which is why she let Gohan train.

Edit this happens later but there is the whole ToP universe being erased and eventually Moro invasion when the anime returns.

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by Tai Lung » Sat May 15, 2021 8:28 pm

jjgp1112 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 4:36 pm
super michael wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:18 pm Chapter 245 I took of the link since it didn't work, I took photo but I can't see option to upload it.
Chi Chi gives in and allow Gohan to go to Namek, despite being a peaceful planet. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

Chapter 336
Chi Chi gives in and allow Gohan to train with Goku and Piccolo. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

Chapter 366
Chi Chi even says there is no point trying to stop Goku and lets Goku train with Gohan in the ROSAT. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

http://mangareader.cc/chapter/dragon-ba ... ter-427#12
http://mangareader.cc/chapter/dragon-ba ... ter-427#13
Chi Chi gave no trouble on Gohan going to the tournament to compete and even said he can go to school later.

Chapter 428
Chi Chi trained Goten personally, that is something you won't see in DBS Anime.

https://youtu.be/iAyQ96ymghQ
Here in Yo SOn Goku Ova we see Chi Chi and Bulma happy they get to see Goten and Trunks fight villains.

https://youtu.be/iAyQ96ymghQ?t=1304
Here we see Chi Chi being excited that Goten landed a hit on the villains.


Now comes DBS and all we get are these:
https://youtu.be/9G3uaW8bpeo?t=56
Goten wanted to go to Whis planet and no matter what Goten said, the answer was no. Chi Chi gave poor excuse. When Goku and Goten sneaks away, Chi Chi alerts Bulma to stop them. Bulma would then need to talk to Chi Chi. Chi Chi didn't even trust Goku to make any call.

Goku was looking for opponent to spar, just because Gohan suggest Goten to spar with Goku his own father, Chi Chi wanted to murder Gohan. I would put the video but looks like it was deleted. Here is the full episode from Crunchyroll a official website https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... nds-723763
At 4:12 Gohan suggest Goten to train, since he was retired from fighting.

https://youtu.be/l6yQ8FojL-A
Goten wants to race with Goku and Piccolo to see who picks up the most vegetable which is fun and training, but no Chi Chi forbids it.

See you don't see Chi Chi compromise or give in a little. It has to be Chi Chi way or nothing.
Your logic always seems to be that if a character makes one decision they have to make that same decision in every single situation or it's out of character.

In the manga examples, Chi-Chi is willing to relent only because she eventually realizes the stakes even if she doesn't want Gohan to be involved with it all. And in the case of the tournament, she lets Gohan take a break because of the money he could win. Goten, there aren't any stakes. She even says in one of those clips, "There's no bad guy that needs to be stopped!"
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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by Tai Lung » Sat May 15, 2021 8:40 pm

super michael wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:12 pm
jjgp1112 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 4:36 pm
super michael wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 1:18 pm Chapter 245 I took of the link since it didn't work, I took photo but I can't see option to upload it.
Chi Chi gives in and allow Gohan to go to Namek, despite being a peaceful planet. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

Chapter 336
Chi Chi gives in and allow Gohan to train with Goku and Piccolo. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

Chapter 366
Chi Chi even says there is no point trying to stop Goku and lets Goku train with Gohan in the ROSAT. You don't see this in DBS Anime.

http://mangareader.cc/chapter/dragon-ba ... ter-427#12
http://mangareader.cc/chapter/dragon-ba ... ter-427#13
Chi Chi gave no trouble on Gohan going to the tournament to compete and even said he can go to school later.

Chapter 428
Chi Chi trained Goten personally, that is something you won't see in DBS Anime.

https://youtu.be/iAyQ96ymghQ
Here in Yo SOn Goku Ova we see Chi Chi and Bulma happy they get to see Goten and Trunks fight villains.

https://youtu.be/iAyQ96ymghQ?t=1304
Here we see Chi Chi being excited that Goten landed a hit on the villains.


Now comes DBS and all we get are these:
https://youtu.be/9G3uaW8bpeo?t=56
Goten wanted to go to Whis planet and no matter what Goten said, the answer was no. Chi Chi gave poor excuse. When Goku and Goten sneaks away, Chi Chi alerts Bulma to stop them. Bulma would then need to talk to Chi Chi. Chi Chi didn't even trust Goku to make any call.

Goku was looking for opponent to spar, just because Gohan suggest Goten to spar with Goku his own father, Chi Chi wanted to murder Gohan. I would put the video but looks like it was deleted. Here is the full episode from Crunchyroll a official website https://www.crunchyroll.com/dragon-ball ... nds-723763
At 4:12 Gohan suggest Goten to train, since he was retired from fighting.

https://youtu.be/l6yQ8FojL-A
Goten wants to race with Goku and Piccolo to see who picks up the most vegetable which is fun and training, but no Chi Chi forbids it.

See you don't see Chi Chi compromise or give in a little. It has to be Chi Chi way or nothing.
Your logic always seems to be that if a character makes one decision they have to make that same decision in every single situation or it's out of character.

In the manga examples, Chi-Chi is willing to relent only because she eventually realizes the stakes even if she doesn't want Gohan to be involved with it all. And in the case of the tournament, she lets Gohan take a break because of the money he could win. Goten, there aren't any stakes. She even says in one of those clips, "There's no bad guy that needs to be stopped!"
When Chi Chi says "There's no bad guy that needs to be stopped!" that is what I mean that it is a poor excuse. There was RoF that destroyed the earth and Zamasu that killed Future Goten and Future Chi Chi. By thinking "don't train because there is no villain" is how they end up weak. So what to train there has to something at stake? No that isn't how it works.

There was nothing at stake when Chi Chi trained Goten herself and there was no money involved when she trained Goten herself.

Here another thing, why isn't Goku allowed to make decision for Goten? Why isn't Goten words enough and why must he shout? Even sneaking out isn't enough for Chi Chi to get the message.

All I know is in-universe Goten is weak thanks to his parents forbidding him.

Fair enough about there was something at stake, which is why she let Gohan train.

Edit this happens later but there is the whole ToP universe being erased and eventually Moro invasion when the anime returns.

is the excuse that she has always had since z ....
The argument of chichi training to goten is irrelevant ... since someone as weak as her is not able to teach her much ..
goten didn't even know how to fly
because from the battle with cell ... and the subsequent one with buu goku realized that he was wrong to trust children to defeat the villain on duty

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by super michael » Sun May 16, 2021 7:16 am

Tai Lung wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 8:40 pm
super michael wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:12 pm
jjgp1112 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 4:36 pm
Your logic always seems to be that if a character makes one decision they have to make that same decision in every single situation or it's out of character.

In the manga examples, Chi-Chi is willing to relent only because she eventually realizes the stakes even if she doesn't want Gohan to be involved with it all. And in the case of the tournament, she lets Gohan take a break because of the money he could win. Goten, there aren't any stakes. She even says in one of those clips, "There's no bad guy that needs to be stopped!"
When Chi Chi says "There's no bad guy that needs to be stopped!" that is what I mean that it is a poor excuse. There was RoF that destroyed the earth and Zamasu that killed Future Goten and Future Chi Chi. By thinking "don't train because there is no villain" is how they end up weak. So what to train there has to something at stake? No that isn't how it works.

There was nothing at stake when Chi Chi trained Goten herself and there was no money involved when she trained Goten herself.

Here another thing, why isn't Goku allowed to make decision for Goten? Why isn't Goten words enough and why must he shout? Even sneaking out isn't enough for Chi Chi to get the message.

All I know is in-universe Goten is weak thanks to his parents forbidding him.

Fair enough about there was something at stake, which is why she let Gohan train.

Edit this happens later but there is the whole ToP universe being erased and eventually Moro invasion when the anime returns.

is the excuse that she has always had since z ....
The argument of chichi training to goten is irrelevant ... since someone as weak as her is not able to teach her much ..
goten didn't even know how to fly
because from the battle with cell ... and the subsequent one with buu goku realized that he was wrong to trust children to defeat the villain on duty

No she wasn’t like this in the Buu Saga. Goku stopped patting people in their place to know what gender they are, Goku never went back to doing that.

Once Chi Chi lost her stupid forbidding rules, she shouldn’t have gone back.

Training with Goku and playing with Goku should be allowed.
Future Goten followed Chi Chi stupid rules, yet that got them all killed.

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by Tai Lung » Sun May 16, 2021 4:39 pm

super michael wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:16 am
Tai Lung wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 8:40 pm
super michael wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:12 pm

When Chi Chi says "There's no bad guy that needs to be stopped!" that is what I mean that it is a poor excuse. There was RoF that destroyed the earth and Zamasu that killed Future Goten and Future Chi Chi. By thinking "don't train because there is no villain" is how they end up weak. So what to train there has to something at stake? No that isn't how it works.

There was nothing at stake when Chi Chi trained Goten herself and there was no money involved when she trained Goten herself.

Here another thing, why isn't Goku allowed to make decision for Goten? Why isn't Goten words enough and why must he shout? Even sneaking out isn't enough for Chi Chi to get the message.

All I know is in-universe Goten is weak thanks to his parents forbidding him.

Fair enough about there was something at stake, which is why she let Gohan train.

Edit this happens later but there is the whole ToP universe being erased and eventually Moro invasion when the anime returns.

is the excuse that she has always had since z ....
The argument of chichi training to goten is irrelevant ... since someone as weak as her is not able to teach her much ..
goten didn't even know how to fly
because from the battle with cell ... and the subsequent one with buu goku realized that he was wrong to trust children to defeat the villain on duty

No she wasn’t like this in the Buu Saga. Goku stopped patting people in their place to know what gender they are, Goku never went back to doing that.

Once Chi Chi lost her stupid forbidding rules, she shouldn’t have gone back.

Training with Goku and playing with Goku should be allowed.
Future Goten followed Chi Chi stupid rules, yet that got them all killed.
in the buu saga ...
the motivation that led chichi to allow fights is ...
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and later that gohan and goku were dead .... and later when that gohan and goku were dead there was something at stake ...

currently allowed him to go take care of the island of 17 ....

that does not allow him to go to a distant planet ... or face a villain is part of her personality ...

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by super michael » Sun May 16, 2021 5:21 pm

Tai Lung wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 4:39 pm
super michael wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:16 am
Tai Lung wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 8:40 pm


is the excuse that she has always had since z ....
The argument of chichi training to goten is irrelevant ... since someone as weak as her is not able to teach her much ..
goten didn't even know how to fly
because from the battle with cell ... and the subsequent one with buu goku realized that he was wrong to trust children to defeat the villain on duty

No she wasn’t like this in the Buu Saga. Goku stopped patting people in their place to know what gender they are, Goku never went back to doing that.

Once Chi Chi lost her stupid forbidding rules, she shouldn’t have gone back.

Training with Goku and playing with Goku should be allowed.
Future Goten followed Chi Chi stupid rules, yet that got them all killed.
in the buu saga ...
the motivation that led chichi to allow fights is ...
Image

and later that gohan and goku were dead .... and later when that gohan and goku were dead there was something at stake ...

currently allowed him to go take care of the island of 17 ....

that does not allow him to go to a distant planet ... or face a villain is part of her personality ...
No your wrong, Chi Chi trained Goten herself personally way before money was mentioned. Chi Chi was training Goten when Gohan was studying, meaning it was before Gohan decided to skip school.
Chi Chi allowed Goten to train with Trunks. Chi Chi allowed Goten to fight Abo and Kado and even fight Beerus.

Just a side note while Chi Chi herself is weak, she knows Master Roshi fighting style which is a great skill. This was mentioned in the 23rd Martial Art Tournament, which Master Roshi mentions it himself when he see Chi Chi fighting style.

I suspect Goku kept Monster Island a secret from Chi Chi, since all he did in the ToP is lie and keep secrets.

Last time I checked Goku and Piccolo are not villain, yet training and playing with them is forbidden. Goten was going to be with Goku his father in Whis planet, so it isn't like he would be alone. Beside she let Gohan go to Namek despite them not knowing there was any danger. They didn't know there was anything at stake going to Namek.

DBS Chi Chi is a awful character, there is nothing to defend that character. DBS Chi Chi is the reason why Goten is weak and doesn't train with the best. To be clear the best are Whis, Beerus, Goku, Vegeta and Yardrats.

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by Tai Lung » Sun May 16, 2021 7:07 pm

super michael wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 5:21 pm
Tai Lung wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 4:39 pm
super michael wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:16 am


No she wasn’t like this in the Buu Saga. Goku stopped patting people in their place to know what gender they are, Goku never went back to doing that.

Once Chi Chi lost her stupid forbidding rules, she shouldn’t have gone back.

Training with Goku and playing with Goku should be allowed.
Future Goten followed Chi Chi stupid rules, yet that got them all killed.
in the buu saga ...
the motivation that led chichi to allow fights is ...
Image

and later that gohan and goku were dead .... and later when that gohan and goku were dead there was something at stake ...

currently allowed him to go take care of the island of 17 ....

that does not allow him to go to a distant planet ... or face a villain is part of her personality ...
No your wrong, Chi Chi trained Goten herself personally way before money was mentioned. Chi Chi was training Goten when Gohan was studying, meaning it was before Gohan decided to skip school.
Chi Chi allowed Goten to train with Trunks. Chi Chi allowed Goten to fight Abo and Kado and even fight Beerus.

Just a side note while Chi Chi herself is weak, she knows Master Roshi fighting style which is a great skill. This was mentioned in the 23rd Martial Art Tournament, which Master Roshi mentions it himself when he see Chi Chi fighting style.

What techniques does chichi know ...? I'll tell you .. nothing ...
goten was already someone very strong in addition to knowing how to transform himself ... at most she could teach poses or basic strategies ... but surely no in real combat
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Goten and trunks play together and? they are still playing together currently
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Abo and kabo is an ova that you don't even know if it's canon

super michael wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 5:21 pm
I suspect Goku kept Monster Island a secret from Chi Chi, since all he did in the ToP is lie and keep secrets.

Last time I checked Goku and Piccolo are not villain, yet training and playing with them is forbidden. Goten was going to be with Goku his father in Whis planet, so it isn't like he would be alone. Beside she let Gohan go to Namek despite them not knowing there was any danger. They didn't know there was anything at stake going to Namek.

DBS Chi Chi is a awful character, there is nothing to defend that character. DBS Chi Chi is the reason why Goten is weak and doesn't train with the best. To be clear the best are Whis, Beerus, Goku, Vegeta and Yardrats.
you have no proof of that ...
what goku ... was doing was work picking up the vegetables ... same work that goku should do not goten
chichi was not going to let gohan go .... gohan had to yell at her to let him go

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by super michael » Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am

Tai Lung wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:07 pm
super michael wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 5:21 pm
Tai Lung wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 4:39 pm

in the buu saga ...
the motivation that led chichi to allow fights is ...
Image

and later that gohan and goku were dead .... and later when that gohan and goku were dead there was something at stake ...

currently allowed him to go take care of the island of 17 ....

that does not allow him to go to a distant planet ... or face a villain is part of her personality ...
No your wrong, Chi Chi trained Goten herself personally way before money was mentioned. Chi Chi was training Goten when Gohan was studying, meaning it was before Gohan decided to skip school.
Chi Chi allowed Goten to train with Trunks. Chi Chi allowed Goten to fight Abo and Kado and even fight Beerus.

Just a side note while Chi Chi herself is weak, she knows Master Roshi fighting style which is a great skill. This was mentioned in the 23rd Martial Art Tournament, which Master Roshi mentions it himself when he see Chi Chi fighting style.

What techniques does chichi know ...? I'll tell you .. nothing ...
goten was already someone very strong in addition to knowing how to transform himself ... at most she could teach poses or basic strategies ... but surely no in real combat
Image
Goten and trunks play together and? they are still playing together currently
Image
Abo and kabo is an ova that you don't even know if it's canon

super michael wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 5:21 pm
I suspect Goku kept Monster Island a secret from Chi Chi, since all he did in the ToP is lie and keep secrets.

Last time I checked Goku and Piccolo are not villain, yet training and playing with them is forbidden. Goten was going to be with Goku his father in Whis planet, so it isn't like he would be alone. Beside she let Gohan go to Namek despite them not knowing there was any danger. They didn't know there was anything at stake going to Namek.

DBS Chi Chi is a awful character, there is nothing to defend that character. DBS Chi Chi is the reason why Goten is weak and doesn't train with the best. To be clear the best are Whis, Beerus, Goku, Vegeta and Yardrats.
you have no proof of that ...
what goku ... was doing was work picking up the vegetables ... same work that goku should do not goten
chichi was not going to let gohan go .... gohan had to yell at her to let him go

I don’t know what technique Chi Chi has, however knowing Master Roshi fighting style is a huge feat.

There is nothing in DBS that mentions Goten takes his training as a joke. Goten says he wants to get Super Strong. No one tells Chi Chi Goten is training with Trunks.

Even if the Ova isn’t canon, there is still Beerus which Goten fused to battle. There was no forbidding.

Fair enough there is no evidence that Goku kept Monster Island a secret.

Why was Piccolo picking vegetable if it is Goku work? Why did Chi Chi force Krillin to pick vegetable? Beside Goku says why it is considered training and Goten saw it as fun, but that was forbidden.

What about when Goku was looking for opponent to spar, Gohan didn’t want to spar with Goku since he was retired. Gohan suggest for Goten to spar with Goku his own father and Chi Chi does the Kaioken aura to try and murder Gohan. So Goku is a villain.

DBS Goten says why he wants to go to Whis planet, but it appears talking isn’t enough. Goten and Goku sneaked away, but it appears that isn’t enough. Buu Saga Chi Chi didn’t need any shouting and secrets to do things, but in DBS Anime they regressed Chi Chi to being an idiot who only cares what she wants.

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by Tai Lung » Mon May 17, 2021 7:06 pm

super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am I don’t know what technique Chi Chi has, however knowing Master Roshi fighting style is a huge feat.
the same irrelevant ... because they don't even need to fight directly for it
super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am There is nothing in DBS that mentions Goten takes his training as a joke. Goten says he wants to get Super Strong. No one tells Chi Chi Goten is training with Trunks.
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super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am Even if the Ova isn’t canon, there is still Beerus which Goten fused to battle. There was no forbidding.
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I have said that when there is danger, chichi eats her pride
super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am Why was Piccolo picking vegetable if it is Goku work? Why did Chi Chi force Krillin to pick vegetable? Beside Goku says why it is considered training and Goten saw it as fun, but that was forbidden.
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super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am What about when Goku was looking for opponent to spar, Gohan didn’t want to spar with Goku since he was retired. Gohan suggest for Goten to spar with Goku his own father and Chi Chi does the Kaioken aura to try and murder Gohan. So Goku is a villain.

DBS Goten says why he wants to go to Whis planet, but it appears talking isn’t enough. Goten and Goku sneaked away, but it appears that isn’t enough. Buu Saga Chi Chi didn’t need any shouting and secrets to do things, but in DBS Anime they regressed Chi Chi to being an idiot who only cares what she wants.
actually gohan was the most indicated to train with goku that goten ... this
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no .. because she needed money and there is a dangerous villain

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by super michael » Mon May 17, 2021 7:17 pm

Tai Lung wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:06 pm
super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am I don’t know what technique Chi Chi has, however knowing Master Roshi fighting style is a huge feat.
the same irrelevant ... because they don't even need to fight directly for it
super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am There is nothing in DBS that mentions Goten takes his training as a joke. Goten says he wants to get Super Strong. No one tells Chi Chi Goten is training with Trunks.
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super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am Even if the Ova isn’t canon, there is still Beerus which Goten fused to battle. There was no forbidding.
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I have said that when there is danger, chichi eats her pride
super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am Why was Piccolo picking vegetable if it is Goku work? Why did Chi Chi force Krillin to pick vegetable? Beside Goku says why it is considered training and Goten saw it as fun, but that was forbidden.
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super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am What about when Goku was looking for opponent to spar, Gohan didn’t want to spar with Goku since he was retired. Gohan suggest for Goten to spar with Goku his own father and Chi Chi does the Kaioken aura to try and murder Gohan. So Goku is a villain.

DBS Goten says why he wants to go to Whis planet, but it appears talking isn’t enough. Goten and Goku sneaked away, but it appears that isn’t enough. Buu Saga Chi Chi didn’t need any shouting and secrets to do things, but in DBS Anime they regressed Chi Chi to being an idiot who only cares what she wants.
actually gohan was the most indicated to train with goku that goten ... this
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no .. because she needed money and there is a dangerous villain

Master Roshi fighting style is anything but irrelevant, a fighting style doesn't get famous for being irrelevant.

Goten and Trunks got their fusion to Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 along with many hax techniques. That isn't a joke training, if they did joke training then they wouldn't have learned to transform and learned many techniques.

There was danger in Future Trunks time line and Future Trunks was in danger of dying, but they were forbidden to go to the future. They are given no chance to use the ROSAT to train.

Gohan only decided to train with Goku because there was no other option and he turned into the Great Saiyan. Goku had no Whis, Vegeta and Piccolo to train.

In the Buu Saga money wasn't the reason she stopped the whole forbidding thing, the only thing money did was allow Gohan to skip school.

I would like to comment on Trunks, but that has nothing to do with Chi Chi.

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by Tai Lung » Mon May 17, 2021 7:34 pm

super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:17 pm Master Roshi fighting style is anything but irrelevant, a fighting style doesn't get famous for being irrelevant.
roshi was stronger than goku and krillin ... and they could become stronger doing routine activities ... but goten no
super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:17 pm Goten and Trunks got their fusion to Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 along with many hax techniques. That isn't a joke training, if they did joke training then they wouldn't have learned to transform and learned many techniques.
the point is that goten and trunks take everything as a game .....
super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:17 pm There was danger in Future Trunks time line and Future Trunks was in danger of dying, but they were forbidden to go to the future. They are given no chance to use the ROSAT to train..
chichi and goten were absent for the whole trunks arc and in the time machine not all fit
super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:17 pm Gohan only decided to train with Goku because there was no other option and he turned into the Great Saiyan. Goku had no Whis, Vegeta and Piccolo to train.

In the Buu Saga money wasn't the reason she stopped the whole forbidding thing, the only thing money did was allow Gohan to skip school.

I would like to comment on Trunks, but that has nothing to do with Chi Chi.
if it's not clear ... I'll explain it again ...
goku is currently much stronger than goten so gohan was the most indicated ... if goten goes to fight with goku would end up worse than trunks ...
in buu arc originally goten was not going to train with gohan it was after the plans changed and chichi was not present

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by super michael » Mon May 17, 2021 7:43 pm

Goku and Krillin had many masters, how many masters did Goten have? Not anywhere close to them that is for sure.

There is no evidence that Goten and Trunks takes their training like a joke. The only one who takes everything as a game is Gotenks.

Goten and Trunks were asking Bulma to go to the future, however Bulma forbid it. I guess Chi Chi wasn't the reason my bad. I can't search for the video now.

Goku didn't care who he sparred with, he just wanted to spar. Gohan didn't want to spar with Goku since he was retired. That is why Gohan suggest Goten spars with Goku and it has nothing to do with who is stronger and weaker. Goku would spar with Krillin who is a total weakling. Goku even gave Krillin a huge advantage.

In the original manga Goten couldn't train with Gohan since Gohan was studying. Why do you think Gohan didn't know that Goten was training with Chi Chi and Goten was training with Trunks?
Once Gohan was going to compete then he decides to train, which is when Goten wants to train with Gohan.

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by BWri » Sun May 23, 2021 5:57 pm

I like Chi-Chi. I just think she's underwritten. She has a ton of potential as a character, ironic since she's Gohan's mom, but she never really gets to do anything or have any hobbies or passions outside of wife and mother. Wife and mother is cool too, but DB never really lingers on that role or makes it very interesting.

Dinosaur slayer Chi-Chi and 23 TB Chi-Chi are killer designs and I even loved the brief, brief, and -- I can't stress this enough -- brief combat animation she had in DBZ movie #1.

*edit: Now that we know Roshi can get ridiculously stronger in Super, it stands to reason that Chi-Chi might secretly be a badass if she could manage to toughen Goten up and help him unlock SSJ.
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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by Tai Lung » Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:25 pm

super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:43 pm 1 Goku and Krillin had many masters, how many masters did Goten have? Not anywhere close to them that is for sure.

2 There is no evidence that Goten and Trunks takes their training like a joke. The only one who takes everything as a game is Gotenks.

3 Goten and Trunks were asking Bulma to go to the future, however Bulma forbid it. I guess Chi Chi wasn't the reason my bad. I can't search for the video now.

4 Goku didn't care who he sparred with, he just wanted to spar. Gohan didn't want to spar with Goku since he was retired. That is why Gohan suggest Goten spars with Goku and it has nothing to do with who is stronger and weaker. Goku would spar with Krillin who is a total weakling. Goku even gave Krillin a huge advantage.

5 In the original manga Goten couldn't train with Gohan since Gohan was studying. Why do you think Gohan didn't know that Goten was training with Chi Chi and Goten was training with Trunks?
Once Gohan was going to compete then he decides to train, which is when Goten wants to train with Gohan.
1 because goten was born with a lot of power he never need to train ... trunks also no reason why vegeta is surprised by them

2 gotenks = goten and trunks

3 black >>> gotenks

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5 scans? because there is no proof of that ... outside of a mention that can be interpreted in many ways
trunks also doesn't train with vegeta before the tournament ... who taught him, bulma?

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by super michael » Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:20 pm

Tai Lung wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:25 pm
super michael wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:43 pm 1 Goku and Krillin had many masters, how many masters did Goten have? Not anywhere close to them that is for sure.

2 There is no evidence that Goten and Trunks takes their training like a joke. The only one who takes everything as a game is Gotenks.

3 Goten and Trunks were asking Bulma to go to the future, however Bulma forbid it. I guess Chi Chi wasn't the reason my bad. I can't search for the video now.

4 Goku didn't care who he sparred with, he just wanted to spar. Gohan didn't want to spar with Goku since he was retired. That is why Gohan suggest Goten spars with Goku and it has nothing to do with who is stronger and weaker. Goku would spar with Krillin who is a total weakling. Goku even gave Krillin a huge advantage.

5 In the original manga Goten couldn't train with Gohan since Gohan was studying. Why do you think Gohan didn't know that Goten was training with Chi Chi and Goten was training with Trunks?
Once Gohan was going to compete then he decides to train, which is when Goten wants to train with Gohan.
1 because goten was born with a lot of power he never need to train ... trunks also no reason why vegeta is surprised by them

2 gotenks = goten and trunks

3 black >>> gotenks

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5 scans? because there is no proof of that ... outside of a mention that can be interpreted in many ways
trunks also doesn't train with vegeta before the tournament ... who taught him, bulma?
Not sure what number one has to do with them not needing to train, Goten and Trunks were both allowed to train during peace time in the Buu Saga. They were training before they even knew about the money, they trained when no money was involved. Should have continued that way in DBS.

I guess your right, however it doesn't change that Gotenks managed to learn many techniques along with learning how to transform and unlock Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3, which no Saiyan other than Goku has managed to unlock Super Saiyan 3. That is prodigy level.

Goten and Trunks training = bigger gain than Goku and Vegeta. Gotenks with training would surpass Goku Black but they are given 0 chance. They have huge potential.

Vegeta didn't forbid Trunks from training with him just because he got hurt, Vegeta trained with him for the month before the tournament in the Gravity Chamber.

Chapter 424 page 2 = Gohan asked about Trunks and Bulma says that Trunks is training with Vegeta. Bulma says that he wants to make Trunks stronger than Gohan and they should be in the gym and teach him. In Page 3 we see Trunks all sweating from training.

Chapter 424 page 4 = Vegeta tells Gohan to don't ever stop training.

Chapter 428 Page 8 = Gohan ask when Goten was able to transform into a Super Saiyan, Goten tells him when his mum taught him while Gohan was studying.
Chapter 427 Page 12 = Gohan wanted to skip school all for the intention of training, there is no hint that Gohan trained before he knew about the tournament.

Chapter 430 Page 14 = We see Goten and Gohan training hard in their Super Saiyan form.
Chapter 431 = Page 1-4 = We see everyone training hard for the tournament.

That is all the evidence. I have given you the chapter number and page number.

Trunks was training before Videl found out Gohan was Great Saiyanman, Goten was training while Gohan was studying in school.

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by super michael » Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:14 am

Now here is the short version, Goten and Trunks were allowed to train with their family. They were allowed to train before danger was involved, money was involved, when they found out money was involved and when danger was involved.
Goten and Trunks were not forbidden in the Buu Saga and when Vegeta accidentally hurt Trunks, that didn't make Trunks forbidden from training with Vegeta or in the Gravity Room.

DBS Anime their family always forbid them in everything, in having fun, training and fighting enemies. They are given 0 chance to train to get strong enough or skillful enough. Even training with their family is forbidden, such as Goten can't train with Goku and Goten and Trunks are not allowed to train with Vegeta.

DBS Anime has been really bad, fans don't want to see their favorite characters forbidden or teased to no end.

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by Goku da Silva » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:37 pm

Seriously? Nobody likes Chi-Chi! :problem:

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Goku da Silva wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:37 pm Seriously? Nobody likes Chi-Chi! :problem:
Not even Toryama! :lol:

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Re: Who else likes Chi-Chi more than Bulma?

Post by super michael » Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:15 pm

Goku da Silva wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:37 pm Seriously? Nobody likes Chi-Chi! :problem:
I like DB Chi Chi before Saiyan Saga, Buu Saga, Yo Son Goku Ova and Moro chapter (manga exclusive at the moment).

Saiyan Saga Chi Chi to Cell Games half half I like.

DBS Manga Chi Chi I like her.
DBS anime Chi Chi I don’t like her and should get erased.

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