Toriyama’s Kanzenban Ending Versus Dragon Ball GT Ending: Which One Is The Best?
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Toriyama’s Kanzenban Ending Versus Dragon Ball GT Ending: Which One Is The Best?
Which endings do you guys prefer? I think I’ll pick the GT one since it was the more emotional one for me.
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The Kanzenban ending is definitely better than the original ending of the manga, as it establishes expectations for Uub that has yet to become a reality (though Vegeta's getting the very last line and to top it off, it's him saying he'll surpass Goku is kinda out of place), I think it's right up there with Dragon Ball GT ending, for different reasons, obviously.
I can't really pick one of those two because either way I prefer the ending Dragon Ball Online establishes.
I can't really pick one of those two because either way I prefer the ending Dragon Ball Online establishes.
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As of right now I think I prefer the GT ending. I don't know why but Goku ascending with Shenron feels like the perfect conclusion to his story. GT could of been a lot better but the ending still stays with me
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I'm convinced Toriyama threw that in because he was genuinely annoyed at how people misinterpreted the "you're number one" line in a way he didn't intend it. It makes a lot more sense if you think of it that way.
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I feel like I’m in a very slim minority where I like almost all of the Dragon Ball endings. From the original manga, to the Kanzenban, GT, and even stuff like Dragon Ball Online(I don’t know if there are any others).
But if I had to pick one I think it’d be the Kanzenban ending. It adds a little more weight to Uub’s character while still retaining what I liked about the original ending. To quote one of the features from Kanzenshuu, the manga ending made the story feel like it “ended as humbly as it began.” And I feel like that sort of ending is really unique and charming.
But if I had to pick one I think it’d be the Kanzenban ending. It adds a little more weight to Uub’s character while still retaining what I liked about the original ending. To quote one of the features from Kanzenshuu, the manga ending made the story feel like it “ended as humbly as it began.” And I feel like that sort of ending is really unique and charming.
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The only thing I don't like too much about GT ending is that, if the whole intention was "figuratively" killing Goku, by sending him to the other world, making him a god or whatever, they could come up with some better way to show it. It's very criptic the way it is now.
Also, Vegeta is nowhere to be seen during the the final recap at the very end. There is almost everyone, almost all enemies, almost all allies, but not his greatest rival. Wth?
That aside, though, it does wrap everything way more nicely. The recap with dan dan playing in the background is way more satisfying than what happens in the Kazenban Ending, which, yeah, shows a successor, that's cute, but it doesn't really have the same overall feeling of closure that you get in the GT ending, where it shows all the adventures Goku had in the past.
Also, Vegeta is nowhere to be seen during the the final recap at the very end. There is almost everyone, almost all enemies, almost all allies, but not his greatest rival. Wth?
That aside, though, it does wrap everything way more nicely. The recap with dan dan playing in the background is way more satisfying than what happens in the Kazenban Ending, which, yeah, shows a successor, that's cute, but it doesn't really have the same overall feeling of closure that you get in the GT ending, where it shows all the adventures Goku had in the past.
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Toriyama’s ending fit his story about a martial artist who went out in the world to train himself and become stronger better.
But GT’s ending fit the story of a pure noble hero who has a fighting spirit. So it works better for the anime which plays up Goku’s more heroic qualities.
So if you like Goku as a guy who is always trying to personally better himself the Toriyama ending is way better. But if you like Goku as a pure hearted warrior who enriched the life of everyone around him GT’s ending is more fitting.
But GT’s ending fit the story of a pure noble hero who has a fighting spirit. So it works better for the anime which plays up Goku’s more heroic qualities.
So if you like Goku as a guy who is always trying to personally better himself the Toriyama ending is way better. But if you like Goku as a pure hearted warrior who enriched the life of everyone around him GT’s ending is more fitting.
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To add to this, it also works as a summation of Goku's character: A guy who's altruistic actions often come with an underlying motive of seeking a good fight.
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I like GT's because it feels like closure. I'm not sure if it's entirely earned though. I would like the Kanzenban's more if the backdrop of the tourney was more interesting. The Kanzenban tourney just feels like Buu arc redux.
Or maybe if Uub was the one to seek Goku out I'd like it more. As it stands, it feels like Uub will be another reluctant fighter, like Gohan, so the magic dies a little bit for me personally.
The best ending was post 23rd TB, even though it wasn't intended to be.
Or maybe if Uub was the one to seek Goku out I'd like it more. As it stands, it feels like Uub will be another reluctant fighter, like Gohan, so the magic dies a little bit for me personally.
The best ending was post 23rd TB, even though it wasn't intended to be.
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GT's ending hits all the right feels, but finality is something that I don't think really works for Dragon Ball. Toriyama seems to leave it open-ended by design, because it's like you're meant to feel like the adventures are ongoing one way or another. I personally don't have a desire for "closure", because the whole idea is for Goku to have a hunger to get more powerful and to seek even stronger opponents... so when is that meant to end, exactly? GT wrapping it up with a nice bow and it always felt like something fan-made in a way, something extraneous and unnecessary.
On the other hand, the manga ending is very dated now with Super. Kid Buu reincarnating into Uub made sense as a significant event when you assumed nothing major happened between Buu and the time skip, but so much has happened (and has yet to happen in the next film and manga and whatever else) that a reincarnation of him presumably without his most effective ability, being regeneration, in tact. Kid Buu wasn't even the strongest of the Buus, so even if Uub manages to catch up to that level he's small potatoes compared to everything since. Though, Toriyama is no stranger to faking significant plot events so I'm sure if he ever picked the story up after the end of the manga Uub would probably be another Gohan situation.
On the other hand, the manga ending is very dated now with Super. Kid Buu reincarnating into Uub made sense as a significant event when you assumed nothing major happened between Buu and the time skip, but so much has happened (and has yet to happen in the next film and manga and whatever else) that a reincarnation of him presumably without his most effective ability, being regeneration, in tact. Kid Buu wasn't even the strongest of the Buus, so even if Uub manages to catch up to that level he's small potatoes compared to everything since. Though, Toriyama is no stranger to faking significant plot events so I'm sure if he ever picked the story up after the end of the manga Uub would probably be another Gohan situation.
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The GT ending is one of my favorite endings in fiction.
I love that it flashes back to Grandpa Gohan too.
I love that it flashes back to Grandpa Gohan too.
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I get that people want answers but not knowing where Goku goes is kinda the point. He's dead, we don't know where you go when you die. If we did know, it would just be another place.
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Which goes against the idea of finality. If we know where he goes, it's just another place, a hard to get to place but still somewhere. Without answers, it puts the characters in the same shoes as the audience. Where do we go when we die? People have different answers but not one we universally agree on. By putting everyone in the same shoes, we get what the story is going for unless you cling to the idea that we need to know because you're uncomfortable not knowing.
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Did the GT ending imply Goku died? He didn't have a halo when he returned 100 years later. There's an afterlife in DB so we already have an idea of what happens when they die. Goku is one of the select few who was allowed to keep his body in Other World both times he was killed while most people would only have their soul. There might still be finality to death in DB since keeping their bodies might only be a temporary luxury and eventually they're reincarnated or "pass on". I'm not sure if that's what happened when he left with Shenron though.
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Not really no. What happens in Super only matters when watching or reading Dragon Ball Super. I’m not going to pretend a 20 year revival interquel meant to pander to nostalgia matters when reading the Dragon Ball manga or watching Dragon Ball ZThanos wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:43 am
On the other hand, the manga ending is very dated now with Super. Kid Buu reincarnating into Uub made sense as a significant event when you assumed nothing major happened between Buu and the time skip, but so much has happened (and has yet to happen in the next film and manga and whatever else) that a reincarnation of him presumably without his most effective ability, being regeneration, in tact.
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GT's the better ending of the two, but I think I only hold that opinion because the Kanzenban ending is a step down from the original for me. Goku encouraging the timid Oob to shout and get excited for his first adventure gets me a little choked up in a way the--frankly less meaningful for the actual characters--Kinto'un hand-off does not. Kinto'un is there for the reader; the original version of the scene is there for Goku and Oob.
Of the three my preference is increasingly for the original Volume 42. Goku taking a new protoge off onto his first adventure, and leaving behind friends and family without a care to do so, as he's always had a tendency to do, is probably the more fitting character ending for him and the series--mirroring Bulma bringing him out of the woods way back when--and that's the slightly better version of it.
Of the three my preference is increasingly for the original Volume 42. Goku taking a new protoge off onto his first adventure, and leaving behind friends and family without a care to do so, as he's always had a tendency to do, is probably the more fitting character ending for him and the series--mirroring Bulma bringing him out of the woods way back when--and that's the slightly better version of it.
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It's all very vague. If he ended up in DB's typical afterlife, why the ambiguity? Whether he was in fact dead, he might as well be since he's gone and no one can bring him back.Skar wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:06 pmDid the GT ending imply Goku died? He didn't have a halo when he returned 100 years later. There's an afterlife in DB so we already have an idea of what happens when they die. Goku is one of the select few who was allowed to keep his body in Other World both times he was killed while most people would only have their soul. There might still be finality to death in DB since keeping their bodies might only be a temporary luxury and eventually they're reincarnated or "pass on". I'm not sure if that's what happened when he left with Shenron though.
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This isn't some grand mystery or big unanswered question for people. We don't universally agree on a lot of things that we know to be true but that's not because it isn't knowledge.
As for GT's ending I don't think it's clear whether Goku's dead or not, just that he's gone and likely for good. Although it seems like he went with Shenlong to whatever place Shenlong goes when he's not summoned.