Opinions on the original Funi Dragon Ball dub

[jjgp1112]

I love how English centric Witty Username's worldview is. It wasnt dubbed in English so its not needed. I loved that man from Australia did that for his sister. He at least has a heart unlike Witty Username.

Absolutely none of this was necessary.

[MasenkoHA]

YES.

There are people who love dubs and its selfish to say they shouldnt exist because you dont find any need for them.

He doesn’t say they shouldn’t exist, he said he doesn’t think they’re necessary.

[WittyUsername]

I’m not even someone who hates dubs. I’m just not sure if they’re worth the trouble at this point.

[Cure Dragon 255]

They are. I am extremely sorry I blew up at you and others, but dubs are important and needed.

[90sDBZ]

dubs are important and needed.

I agree. They're very important, particularly for kids who can't be bothered to read subs, or aren't able to because of learning conditions. Kids are what ultimately allow these franchises to thrive, so they should be made as accessible as possible.

Beyond that it's just nice to hear different takes on a character. The original is always going to be there for the purists.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

dubs are important and needed.

I agree. They're very important, particularly for kids who can't be bothered to read subs, or aren't able to because of learning conditions. Kids are what ultimately allow these franchises to thrive, so they should be made as accessible as possible.

Beyond that it's just nice to hear different takes on a character. The original is always going to be there for the purists.

I'm also in the same boat. I can understand dubs not being to someone's liking, but I don't see why anyone would want another fan of this franchise or any other to be denied the option of a dub. It never hurts for one to be available, and in general does more good than bad.

[MasenkoHA]

I’m not even someone who hates dubs. I’m just not sure if they’re worth the trouble at this point.

Stuffed skewed towards kids yes.

Dragon Ball is at the end of the day a commercial product meant to sell toys and knick knacks to young boys and adult size t-shirts and shoes to its aging nostalgic audience. It wants to be as accessible as possible.

Something like Parasite really doesn’t need to compromise any artistic integrity because it isn’t merchandise driven.

[ABED]

This isn't about artistic integrity. Parasite is live action. None of the actors are performing solely with their voice.

[MasenkoHA]

This isn't about artistic integrity. Parasite is live action. None of the actors are performing solely with their voice.

It’s not unheard for live action shows and movies to get dubbed when crossing over international markets

[WittyUsername]

This isn't about artistic integrity. Parasite is live action. None of the actors are performing solely with their voice.

English speaking live action movies get dubbed in foreign countries all the time, so there’s that. I believe I read somewhere that Bong Joon Ho didn’t want the movie to be dubbed.

[ABED]

Maybe this wasn't clear, I know live action actors get dubbed over. I'm saying that it's not the same thing as a performance in an anime. When Nozawa and Schemmel give performances as Goku, they are giving a full performance. If a live action actor is dubbed over, the audience is only getting half the actor's performance.

I'm not sure how you read my original comment. Like, duh, actors get dubbed over all the time when live action films are distributed internationally.

[MasenkoHA]

This isn't about artistic integrity. Parasite is live action. None of the actors are performing solely with their voice.

English speaking live action movies get dubbed in foreign countries all the time, so there’s that. I believe I read somewhere that Bong Joon Ho didn’t want the movie to be dubbed.

And Netflix dubs a lot of their non-English shows into English but yes I think the practice is more common in non-English speaking countries

[MasenkoHA]

Maybe this wasn't clear, I know live action actors get dubbed over. I'm saying that it's not the same thing as a performance in an anime. When Nozawa and Schemmel give performances as Goku, they are giving a full performance. If a live action actor is dubbed over, the audience is only getting half the actor's performance.

I'm not sure how you read my original comment. Like, duh, actors get dubbed over all the time when live action films are distributed internationally.

The conversation started over whether dubbing in general is even necessary. Parasite was just cited as an example of a movie that wasn’t dubbed into English and still got attention. My argument that something that is meant to appeal to the widest possible audience would fare better with a dub including some kitschy live action Netflix drama series.


If you want to keep it as anime vs anime I don’t think something like Perfect Blue or Akira would need English dubs now like they did in the 90s.

[ABED]

I get that, but live action is different from animation. It's changing those performances. You are almost getting half a movie. That is true regardless of how good the movie is which is ultimately irrelevant. DB could be the most well written story with deeply resonant themes and dubbing would still be valid.

Akira is overrated and quite frankly awful. It's well regarded because of it's animation, not it's insipid story that is clearly adapting WAY too much considering its runtime. I do think even a great anime should be dubbed. Technology has made it easy to switch back and forth if you want to watch the original.

[Soppa Saia People]

i don't even think masenkoha was making a statement on akira's quality, just that it's a adaption of a seinen manga lmao. ignoring the fact that saying something is Only Liked for one thing is stupid, not really a statement on anything or allow for any discussion lol.

[ABED]

i don't even think masenkoha was making a statement on akira's quality, just that it's a adaption of a seinen manga lmao. ignoring the fact that saying something is Only Liked for one thing is stupid, not really a statement on anything or allow for any discussion lol.

I don't see how from context how this wasn't a statement of its perceived quality. And I didn't say it was ONLY liked for one thing. So keep laughing at things that weren't said.

[jjgp1112]

i don't even think masenkoha was making a statement on akira's quality, just that it's a adaption of a seinen manga lmao. ignoring the fact that saying something is Only Liked for one thing is stupid, not really a statement on anything or allow for any discussion lol.

I don't see how from context how this wasn't a statement of its perceived quality. And I didn't say it was ONLY liked for one thing. So keep laughing at things that weren't said.

How could you have possibly inferred he was speaking about the quality from this:

If you want to keep it as anime vs anime I don’t think something like Perfect Blue or Akira would need English dubs now like they did in the 90s.

He's clearly just talking about popular anime.

On the other hand, it's pretty easy to infer what Soopa inferred from your post when you say it sucked, the story sucked, and it's well regarded for its animation. Essentially dismissing it's merits and the reception beyond animation quality.

[ABED]

i don't even think masenkoha was making a statement on akira's quality, just that it's a adaption of a seinen manga lmao. ignoring the fact that saying something is Only Liked for one thing is stupid, not really a statement on anything or allow for any discussion lol.

I don't see how from context how this wasn't a statement of its perceived quality. And I didn't say it was ONLY liked for one thing. So keep laughing at things that weren't said.

How could you have possibly inferred he was speaking about the quality from this:

If you want to keep it as anime vs anime I don’t think something like Perfect Blue or Akira would need English dubs now like they did in the 90s.

He's clearly just talking about popular anime.

On the other hand, it's pretty easy to infer what Soopa inferred from your post when you say it sucked, the story sucked, and it's well regarded for its animation. Essentially dismissing it's merits and the reception beyond animation quality.

You took that single sentence out of context

I said Akira is well regarded for its animation, and it's true. That's a statement of fact. I didn't say it was only thing.

Dragon Ball is at the end of the day a commercial product meant to sell toys and knick knacks to young boys and adult size t-shirts and shoes to its aging nostalgic audience. It wants to be as accessible as possible.

Something like Parasite really doesn’t need to compromise any artistic integrity because it isn’t merchandise driven.

How the hell do you not get that this is a discussion about quality?

Hell even within the same post you quoted, MasenkoHa wrote:

My argument that something that is meant to appeal to the widest possible audience would fare better with a dub including some kitschy live action Netflix drama series.

[MasenkoHA]

To clarify I meant to use Akira as an example of something that isn’t intended to be marketed to the lowest common denominator. It should go without saying something intended to be “art” or “high brow”
can be crap. And something meant to be commercial or popcorn flicks can be good and have artistic merit.

It doesn’t really matter if Akira is good or not. Which is obviously subjective.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I know I have been quite militant in this thread and I am sorry about that but ABED, if you think dubbing a live action movie "Gets you only half a movie" imagine being blind and not being able to watch it. AT ALL. I am sorry for being rude but this is a very important issue to me. I have a blind friend and he enjoys dubs a lot.