Are we sure the manga wouldn’t have been allowed to show something like that? I’m not an expert on the subject, but it seems like shonen manga were allowed to get away with quite a bit back in the 80s and 90s.Asin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:35 pmYou are aware DB is a kid's franchise, right? I don't think even in Japan they could show rape or how Lapis and Lazuli got their "enhancements" on TV or in the pages of a shonen manga.precita wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:49 pm Dr. Gero should have been shown brutally torturing human teenage 17 and 18. I think a lot of people don't really realize what he did to them because it's all off-screen and 17 and 18 are portrayed as emotionless when they first debuted.
He basically raped and tortured them both.
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I mean, I would hope not. Shonen is a genre meant for young boys, after all. Though, I do accept I could be wrong in that it could be shown in the manga.
...Toriyama probably wouldn't put the act of rape into DB though... Torture, I would say that depends, considering in that arc we saw Yamcha get his chest impaled by Android 20/Gero, and the part where Android 20/Gero squeezes a guy's head off.
...Toriyama probably wouldn't put the act of rape into DB though... Torture, I would say that depends, considering in that arc we saw Yamcha get his chest impaled by Android 20/Gero, and the part where Android 20/Gero squeezes a guy's head off.
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No reason to show rape as I don't think there was any reason to do something in such poor taste. The torture can easily be shown. We've seen plenty throughout DB. If they don't want to be graphic, they can do it like Han's torture in The Empire Strikes Back.
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Rape has already been glorified in anime, it's a very serious issue that hentai has trivialized into being entertainment. I'd rather not see Dragon Ball turn into Urotsukidōji or La Blue Girl and stay away from that kind of thing, and thankfully because of Dragon Ball's intended demographic I have every confidence it will.
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Why would he have to force fuck them before turning them into robots Precita ? Its already stated they he converted them by force, why does anything have to be shown? What group of fans are out here undermining what he did because they didn't see it? The androids are presented as emotionless because they're supposed to be scary, its a side effect of being cyberized and brainwashed.precita wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:49 pm Dr. Gero should have been shown brutally torturing human teenage 17 and 18. I think a lot of people don't really realize what he did to them because it's all off-screen and 17 and 18 are portrayed as emotionless when they first debuted.
He basically raped and tortured them both.
Some folks just be running around here saying anything.
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precita wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:49 pm Dr. Gero should have been shown brutally torturing human teenage 17 and 18. I think a lot of people don't really realize what he did to them because it's all off-screen and 17 and 18 are portrayed as emotionless when they first debuted.
He basically raped and tortured them both.
You two are strange, man.MyVisionity wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:25 pm I don't see why not. If they really wanted to drive home just how evil of a character Doctor Gero was, they could have expanded upon his experiments with 17 and 18 and show a sadistic side.
I don't see how this would be remotely necessary or how we're losing anything by not seeing. We know that he kidnapped them and forcefully converted them into Androids. That's all we need to know he's evil. Why all this other shit - "He basically raped them and we need to have had that SEEN in this children's cartoon!" Bruh what?????
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I don't see the harm in it. If Toriyama had wanted to show just how sick and deranged Gero was, that's one way to do it. In that case Gero wouldn't just be an evil mastermind, but a disgusting monster that makes you want to vomit just looking at him. It would be graphic and disturbing, for sure, but I think you can get away with that in a children's manga. Although, it might not really fit with the Dragon Ball style. That kind of thing is more in line with Yu Yu Hakusho or something.
Also, I don't think that precita meant literal rape, but the figurative kind, if there even is such a thing.
Also, I don't think that precita meant literal rape, but the figurative kind, if there even is such a thing.
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And all of this in Dragonball. Where just about every other thing out there won't even go that far.MyVisionity wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:05 pm I don't see the harm in it. If Toriyama had wanted to show just how sick and deranged Gero was, that's one way to do it. In that case Gero wouldn't just be an evil mastermind, but a disgusting monster that makes you want to vomit just looking at him. It would be graphic and disturbing, for sure, but I think you can get away with that in a children's manga. Although, it might not really fit with the Dragon Ball style. That kind of thing is more in line with Yu Yu Hakusho or something.
Also, I don't think that precita meant literal rape, but the figurative kind, if there even is such a thing.
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I have my doubts that Japanese censorship laws from back in the day would’ve prevented Toriyama from depicting Dr. Gero torturing #17 and #18 with his experiments, if that was what he wanted to show. Japan seemed to be incredibly lenient when it came to what they allowed in shonen manga back in the day. With that said, Toriyama isn’t really the kind of writer who would choose to tackle that kind of serious subject matter.
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Porn/erotica from all nations use rape as an element, often both consumed and created by women as a form of catharsis through roleplay.Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:25 am Rape has already been glorified in anime, it's a very serious issue that hentai has trivialized into being entertainment. I'd rather not see Dragon Ball turn into Urotsukidōji or La Blue Girl and stay away from that kind of thing, and thankfully because of Dragon Ball's intended demographic I have every confidence it will.
Anyway, can we please not include rape in a fucking kids series?
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YYH actually bit from this storyline during the Dark Tournament, with the slimy Doctor who experimented on and used tortured human fighters on his team. For as dark as he later gets in HxH, Togashi-san didn't dive into the tortuous experiments on the kidnapped victims here, but instead focused on the aftermath of them living in a Frankenstein's Monster-esque body with their free-will stripped away. The brutal part of it was them begging for death, but other than that, he was as tame as Toriyama-san if not moreso IIRC.MyVisionity wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:05 pm I don't see the harm in it. If Toriyama had wanted to show just how sick and deranged Gero was, that's one way to do it. In that case Gero wouldn't just be an evil mastermind, but a disgusting monster that makes you want to vomit just looking at him. It would be graphic and disturbing, for sure, but I think you can get away with that in a children's manga. Although, it might not really fit with the Dragon Ball style. That kind of thing is more in line with Yu Yu Hakusho or something.
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Wait people think the manga wouldn't be allowed to show more graphic scenes of Gero torturing 17/18 when he was converting them to androids? This is the same manga that showed Dr. Gero squeeze a random man's neck and choke him to death when he first showed up in the city. The anime did that off-screen if I remember right.
Also have people forgotten how much more bloody Spopovich vs. Videl is in the manga? The anime actually censored it and made it LESS brutal, they show all her teeth knocked out of her mouth in the manga but Toei didn't want to go that far in the anime version.
Also have people forgotten how much more bloody Spopovich vs. Videl is in the manga? The anime actually censored it and made it LESS brutal, they show all her teeth knocked out of her mouth in the manga but Toei didn't want to go that far in the anime version.
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Exactly what purpose would these scenes serve?precita wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:38 pm Wait people think the manga wouldn't be allowed to show more graphic scenes of Gero torturing 17/18 when he was converting them to androids? This is the same manga that showed Dr. Gero squeeze a random man's neck and choke him to death when he first showed up in the city. The anime did that off-screen if I remember right.
Also have people forgotten how much more bloody Spopovich vs. Videl is in the manga? The anime actually censored it and made it LESS brutal, they show all her teeth knocked out of her mouth in the manga but Toei didn't want to go that far in the anime version.
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To show Dr. Gero as an evil man rather than a cartoon supervillain who made evil robots.
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So him crushing the old guys head and ramming his hand through one of the heroes’ chest isn’t enough?
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But we already know he kidnapped humans and turned them into robots. We already saw him wrench a guy's head off for no reason. So it's already clear that he's evil. And Dragon Ball as a whole (the manga, not the fillerific anime) has never relied on flashbacks to tell the stories - somebody exposits, we might get one panel, and we move on. So again I ask: what's the point?
Just admit you want to see him torture teenagers for whatever weird, perverse reason.
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No, it's not enough. Those things aren't evil. Brutal, yes, but not evil.goku the krump dancer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:16 pm So him crushing the old guys head and ramming his hand through one of the heroes’ chest isn’t enough?
And even if it were, that was "Android #20", not "Dr. Gero". To see Gero, the human scientist, actually brutalize and torture the twins in his experiments would help to broaden his evil nature.
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What?? that's not evil??? I wouldn't want to crash into your car, then...MyVisionity wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:13 amNo, it's not. Those things aren't evil. Brutal, yes, but not evil.goku the krump dancer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:16 pm So him crushing the old guys head and ramming his hand through one of the heroes’ chest isn’t enough?
And even if it were, that was "Android #20", not "Dr. Gero". To see Gero, the human scientist, actually brutalize and torture the twins in his experiments would help to broaden his evil nature.
Gero and #20 are pretty much the same thing, he acted like an android in front of the heroes, but he was ol' Gero back at the lab with 17 and 18. He literally has the same brain as before.