Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
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Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
He feels a bit like another Gohan, ie. someone who fights out of necessity rather than for intrinsic reasons.
It feels like a strange choice to make him passive when he's supposed to eventually succeed Goku. Especially after Toriyama ultimately decided against Gohan for that very reason.
Uub also seems like the type of guy who would eventually get tired of fighting and move on to other things if there was no threat.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to make him a confident battle hungry fighter? Especially as he was reincarnated from Kid Buu.
It feels like a strange choice to make him passive when he's supposed to eventually succeed Goku. Especially after Toriyama ultimately decided against Gohan for that very reason.
Uub also seems like the type of guy who would eventually get tired of fighting and move on to other things if there was no threat.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to make him a confident battle hungry fighter? Especially as he was reincarnated from Kid Buu.
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I think Toriyama just wanted to get across that Oob was pure and good unlike his previous incarnation.
Oob was never intended to be the main character so his personality being reminiscent of Gohan is a non-issue
We don’t know how Oob is going to be after the story ends (nor do we need to that wasn’t the point) but we can assume he does develop a love for fighting. He did leave with a 45 year old man to train him in martial arts after all.
Oob was never intended to be the main character so his personality being reminiscent of Gohan is a non-issue
We don’t know how Oob is going to be after the story ends (nor do we need to that wasn’t the point) but we can assume he does develop a love for fighting. He did leave with a 45 year old man to train him in martial arts after all.
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Re: Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
Too much emphasis is put on Uub taking Goku's place but that's not what he means to the story. That's not his function in the story. If it were truly the case, he wouldn't have been introduced at the tail end of the story.
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Re: Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
I just feel like, someone who we're supposed to believe will serve as a longtime rival to Goku should have a natural taste for battle from the get go.
Sure he does seem to enjoy fighting in GT, but if we take Toriyama's ending as is, we basically have this hesitant kid being strung along by Goku. Goku waited 10 years for him, and it's implied it will take several more years to train him into a worthy opponent. It makes me wonder why Goku didn't just challenge Gohan to fight every now and then.
And what would happen if Uub just got tired of martial arts? Goku couldn't force him to keep training, just like he couldn't force his own sons to keep training.
Sure he does seem to enjoy fighting in GT, but if we take Toriyama's ending as is, we basically have this hesitant kid being strung along by Goku. Goku waited 10 years for him, and it's implied it will take several more years to train him into a worthy opponent. It makes me wonder why Goku didn't just challenge Gohan to fight every now and then.
And what would happen if Uub just got tired of martial arts? Goku couldn't force him to keep training, just like he couldn't force his own sons to keep training.
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If we want to directly compare him to Gohan, Gohan outright says from day one that he wants to be a scholar. Oob makes no claim of any other aspirations. I don’t know why we can’t go with Goku bringing out Oob’s natural fighting instinct.
Because Gohan doesn’t want to fight. Even if he spars with Goku to humor his dad what good is it going to do? Goku wants to test his strength not fight someone he will eventually surpass. (If he hadn’t already in the 10 year gap). It makes me wonder why Goku didn't just challenge Gohan to fight every now and then.
Granted, Dragon Ball Super making Gohan a fighter again along with providing all sorts of potential challenges for Goku kind of ruins that but that’s on Super not the original story.
For the purpose of the narrative that’s clearly not the case.And what would happen if Uub just got tired of martial arts? Goku couldn't force him to keep training, just like he couldn't force his own sons to keep training.
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Re: Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
Agreed, I don't think Uub was meant to be taken too seriously. We see older characters training younger characters like Master Roshi with Goku and Krillin, Piccolo with Gohan in the Saiyan arc, Goku and Gohan in the time chamber, and Goku and Piccolo with Goten and Trunks throughout the series.
Uub's purpose in the story is simply to say there's always more training to do and more to teach because Dragon Ball is at its heart a whimsical story about martial arts and improving yourself through persistence, so an open conclusion in light of that is thematically consistent with Toriyama's writing style.
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Re: Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
Uub was written to be earth protector when Goku wasn’t around, therefore once Goku wasn’t around then Uub would be fighting those villains.
So it seems if there was a sequel then Uub would have been the main character. Although until Goku isn’t around then Goku adventure is with Uub, while Goku is the main character.
So it seems if there was a sequel then Uub would have been the main character. Although until Goku isn’t around then Goku adventure is with Uub, while Goku is the main character.
Re: Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
Well, his name is literally "Buu" spelled backwards. I think Toriyama was going for him being the exact reverse of everything Buu was, considering Goku's wish was for Buu to reborn as a good person (as in someone not out of control destructive).
Taking that into account, it makes sense that his core personality is the exact opposite of Buu's: Timid and docile where Buu was wild and uncontrollable. Even then, he does retain some subtle aspects of Buu's persona, like his ability to learn as he fights as Buu did.
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Re: Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
That was a side issue. Being "earth's protector" isn't the point of Uub. Hell, it's not the role Goku serves in the story. If he were, he wouldn't have been introduced at the very end of the story.super michael wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:13 am Uub was written to be earth protector when Goku wasn’t around, therefore once Goku wasn’t around then Uub would be fighting those villains.
So it seems if there was a sequel then Uub would have been the main character. Although until Goku isn’t around then Goku adventure is with Uub, while Goku is the main character.
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Re: Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
That wasn’t the intention. Uub wasn’t being set up as a lead for a potential sequel.super michael wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:13 am
So it seems if there was a sequel then Uub would have been the main character. .
Re: Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
We have no idea what Oob's personality is like. He is fighting for necessity but he could very well enjoy fighting as well but just have a timid disposition. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Re: Why did Toriyama write Uub to be passive?
Indeed. His only misgivings about Goku training him is his family is too poor for him to stay with them until Goku solves that issue with Mr.Satan’s money.
He’s also in a martial arts competition. For money in order to save his family from poverty but all the same he wouldn’t enter if he had no fighting experience
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Not to mention Goku asks him directly if he's excited about meeting strong people, and he answers with an enthusiastic yes, following it up with even more enthusiasm about the prospect of getting stronger:MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:31 pmIndeed. His only misgivings about Goku training him is his family is too poor for him to stay with them until Goku solves that issue with Mr.Satan’s money.
He’s also in a martial arts competition. For money in order to save his family from poverty but all the same he wouldn’t enter if he had no fighting experience
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