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Re: Non-American fans of Faulconer

Post by Yuli Ban » Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:49 am

precita wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 pm Is rock music even popular outside the U.S.?
The biggest irony is that rock music is more popular outside of the US than inside. Classic rock is apparently huge in Africa, and heavy metal never left the mainstream in Scandinavia or Japan.

More on topic, it's not like Kikuchi never used electric guitars in his compositions, never had guitar-driven tracks for Dragon Ball, or that retro wuxia orchestration is only ever big-band instruments. It just didn't focus on rock music so totally like Faulconer because we ran with the connotations of "HARDCORE HYPERMASCULINE ACTION"
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Re: Non-American fans of Faulconer

Post by Gridlock » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:25 am

I grew up watching DB/Z with original music, and absolutely love it (I'm from Poland, btw). When I first heard Faulconer music I cringed. I tried to listen to some of his other tracks, maybe I just found a really bad one. But no, any scene I found, it was just terrible, and completely ruind it for me. A lot of times it just felt random, like it didn't even tried to fit what happened on the screen, just random guitar riff here and there. I know the original can be repetitive at times, but it still worked much better most of the time. Piccolo theme is absolute classic. I'm happy for you guys if you like it, but I just don't get the love for Faulconer at all.

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Re: Non-American fans of Faulconer

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:05 am

precita wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 pm Is rock music even popular outside the U.S.?
It's way more popular outside the U.S. than inside it. Dunno why anyone would ask this question.
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Re: Non-American fans of Faulconer

Post by Kunzait_83 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:49 pm

Yuli Ban wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:49 am
precita wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 pm Is rock music even popular outside the U.S.?
The biggest irony is that rock music is more popular outside of the US than inside. Classic rock is apparently huge in Africa, and heavy metal never left the mainstream in Scandinavia or Japan.
DBZAOTA482 wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:05 am
precita wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 pm Is rock music even popular outside the U.S.?
It's way more popular outside the U.S. than inside it. Dunno why anyone would ask this question.
Hell, Japan had as recently as the dawn of the 2010s just come off of something of a jrock renaissance that lasted from roughly the mid 90s to the mid/late 2000s: running WELL throughout and past the point where hard rock music in the U.S. has basically died a damn near stone cold death in favor of pop and hip hop on one end, and emo and indie folk on the other.

Some of the absolute all time best hard/heavy rock music of the 2000s I would argue came largely out of Japan for a little while there.
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Re: Non-American fans of Faulconer

Post by TrunksTrevelyan0064 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:21 pm

We got some Faulconer-scored episodes over here in the Netherlands, so I simply enjoyed that version of the show unassumingly. If you look at my oldest posts here (please forgive their cringy nature, I was sixteen and very insecure) you can even see me praising the score, something that is unimaginable to me now. Once I learned it was a replacement score, and the more I learned about the translation issues that plagued the dub it accompanied, that version became less and less appealing to me and I gradually "converted" to the original version.

I guess in some sense the Faulconer score still tickles my nostalgia bone, but it's kinda like looking at an ex-lover. Physically you're still somewhat attracted to them, but you can't love them anymore. They weren't who you thought they were.

That said, I don't mean for this to come across as me bashing Faulconer fans - if you're capable of genuinely enjoying it, more power to you!
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Re: Non-American fans of Faulconer

Post by PurestEvil » Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:20 pm

Yuli Ban wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:49 am More on topic, it's not like Kikuchi never used electric guitars in his compositions, never had guitar-driven tracks for Dragon Ball, or that retro wuxia orchestration is only ever big-band instruments. It just didn't focus on rock music so totally like Faulconer because we ran with the connotations of "HARDCORE HYPERMASCULINE ACTION"
It's all part of marketing.
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Re: Non-American fans of Faulconer

Post by Planetnamek » Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:34 am

Yuli Ban wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:49 am
precita wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 pm Is rock music even popular outside the U.S.?
The biggest irony is that rock music is more popular outside of the US than inside. Classic rock is apparently huge in Africa, and heavy metal never left the mainstream in Scandinavia or Japan.

More on topic, it's not like Kikuchi never used electric guitars in his compositions, never had guitar-driven tracks for Dragon Ball, or that retro wuxia orchestration is only ever big-band instruments. It just didn't focus on rock music so totally like Faulconer because we ran with the connotations of "HARDCORE HYPERMASCULINE ACTION"
It's all part of marketing.
Indeed and I learned several years ago that melodic rock/AOR is still just as popular in European countries as it was in the U.S. in the 80s and early 90s, they even have entire magazines dedicate to that specific genre of music. There are loads of bands that sound straight out of the 80s like Crazy Lixx(who did several songs for the Friday the 13th video game).

As for Faulconer it's interesting to hear the perspectives of those who weren't aware that it was a replacement score. I certainly wasn't aware of that as a kid either, but finding that out certainly didn't diminish my love of it.

Kunzait_83 wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:49 pm
Yuli Ban wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:49 am
precita wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 pm Is rock music even popular outside the U.S.?
The biggest irony is that rock music is more popular outside of the US than inside. Classic rock is apparently huge in Africa, and heavy metal never left the mainstream in Scandinavia or Japan.
DBZAOTA482 wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:05 am
precita wrote: Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 pm Is rock music even popular outside the U.S.?
It's way more popular outside the U.S. than inside it. Dunno why anyone would ask this question.
Hell, Japan had as recently as the dawn of the 2010s just come off of something of a jrock renaissance that lasted from roughly the mid 90s to the mid/late 2000s: running WELL throughout and past the point where hard rock music in the U.S. has basically died a damn near stone cold death in favor of pop and hip hop on one end, and emo and indie folk on the other.

Some of the absolute all time best hard/heavy rock music of the 2000s I would argue came largely out of Japan for a little while there.
No arguments there, big fan of bands like Band-Maid, Babymetal, X Japan, Magnum, EZO and Loudness.

It's a real bummer that rock music is kinda dead here in the U.S.(though it is getting back up with bands like Dirty Honey scoring big on the billboard charts, hopefully that inspires a rock renaissance).
PurestEvil wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:20 pm
Yuli Ban wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:49 am More on topic, it's not like Kikuchi never used electric guitars in his compositions, never had guitar-driven tracks for Dragon Ball, or that retro wuxia orchestration is only ever big-band instruments. It just didn't focus on rock music so totally like Faulconer because we ran with the connotations of "HARDCORE HYPERMASCULINE ACTION"
It's all part of marketing.
There are many examples
Interesting, thanks for the links. Some of the better Kikuchi music i've heard, though it reminds me a lot of those cheesy ninja movies from the 80s.
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