I ask those questions myself too. Why character development? Why progress forward when you can go backward and make the same mistakes? Why grow indeed!?
To hell with any of that, let's do it already!
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I ask those questions myself too. Why character development? Why progress forward when you can go backward and make the same mistakes? Why grow indeed!?
But it wasn't the reason why the conflict was extended. The reason it was extended was because Moro absorbs Merus' powers. All he accomplishes with the senzu is breaking his own arm and being in the same situation he was just in.WittyUsername wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:36 pmIt’s just a frustrating and cheap way to extend the conflict.Jack Bz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:18 pm I will never understand the collective backlash after Goku gave Moro a senzu. Especially with the fact that it was inconsequential and in character with his past actions. The Moro arc has a lot of issues but I can't rationalise anyone pointing to that scene as some sort of stand out jumped the shark moment.
Goku fucked up by allowing Moro to do anything after he gave him the senzu. He had personally seen Moro turn an inch of leeway into a mile of chaos several times and just decided "oh well, I got UI!" with such a complacent attitude. Goku should have known from a history of overconfidence and subsequent mistakes not to do that but he repeated a mistake anyways because...he just felt like it, I suppose?Jack Bz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:46 pmBut it wasn't the reason why the conflict was extended. The reason it was extended was because Moro absorbs Merus' powers. All he accomplishes with the senzu is breaking his own arm and being in the same situation he was just in.
The manner in which Goku fucked up was revealing that Merus was his master, giving Moro the idea in the first place.
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
To vent. Nothing that I said was performative, if people can’t handle different opinions that’s on them. Trying to make other people’s issues my problem just because I made a post criticizing Super is not a good look. At no point have I suggested that no one is allowed to disagree or agree, so I’m not too sure where this is coming from as well, as you cannot fathom me making this post I can’t fathom the intense feelings I have brought out in some people with a simple thread. Honestly, it just seems as if people are looking for a reason to get heated, which I don’t have the energy. Many people agree that the form looks AF esque and the story telling consistently cannot take a step forward without taking two steps back, instead of complaining about my thread, I urge you to probably discuss the criticisms others have brought fourth.Magnificent Ponta wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:26 am That's the problem with performative fan negativity - it damages the quality of discourse generally by making it a reductive exchange of grievances, and just seems to wear everybody down. What's the point of it? I genuinely can't fathom what benefit this topic was supposed to convey. What were you hoping for?
Ty <3. I don’t think Mike likes me very much so I guess it stands to reason he’d be fine with me getting shat on. Oh well, :-/ I guess it is what it is, hurts a bit, but it’s out of my hands really.Cure Dragon 255 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:38 pm I'm sorry but I am still sort of upset that Cipher mocked the topic creator so openly and didnt get anything. Not even a slap in the wrist. Aim is a nice guy, if a bit emotional and he didnt actually leave. So Cipher just mocked someone for the heck of it. I LOVE Cipher, their posts are epic and all. But I liked it better when they mocked only MRA assholes or other genuinely jerky or entitled assholes.
BTW I want that dub with all the Jeremy's and Milk Babe.
You should take your own advice then, since you've bothered enough to not just answer me but complain about people being "touched" by your thread (which should be expected from the way you did it, which in fact it seemed performative).
Criticisms are fine, and extensive discussions have already taken place with the most diverse opinions about it (and for that matter, I participate in other forums and discussions as well), and it doesn't seem that the purpose of this thread is anything like that, except for the attempt to evoke the same negative feelings without any kind of real debate.
Are you like, the Kanzenshuu post tMz or something?Cure Dragon 255 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:28 am I love both Cipher and Aim and I think Vegetto EX's moderation is great. This is all just a big misunderstanding.
MRA ren't bad peopleCure Dragon 255 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:38 pm I'm sorry but I am still sort of upset that Cipher mocked the topic creator so openly and didnt get anything. Not even a slap in the wrist. Aim is a nice guy, if a bit emotional and he didnt actually leave. So Cipher just mocked someone for the heck of it. I LOVE Cipher, their posts are epic and all. But I liked it better when they mocked only MRA assholes or other genuinely jerky or entitled assholes.
BTW I want that dub with all the Jeremy's and Milk Babe.
Plenty of people have said they don't like the transformation design, in the (already existing) relevant topics; what we have here, however, is making a whole new thread (in arguably the wrong forum, presumably so it will get better traffic) dedicated basically to declaring to the world that 'Dragon Ball Super is dead to me because of this transformation, RIP'. I couldn't think of a more apt term for what that is, so I called it 'performative negativity'. Perhaps you'd prefer 'unnecessarily melodramatic negativity'? Either's fine with me - I'm trying to emphasise how unnecessary the whole thing is; so long as that's understood, the specific form of words is beside the point.
I have engaged some substantive criticisms of the new form in the Manga thread - and therein lies my point. There are hardly any substantive criticisms in this thread, so far as I can make out - it's a 'yuh-huh'-'nuh-uh'-fest, and I don't see anything changing that because it's basically baked into the topic premise.Aim wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:37 pmif people can’t handle different opinions that’s on them. Trying to make other people’s issues my problem just because I made a post criticizing Super is not a good look. At no point have I suggested that no one is allowed to disagree or agree, so I’m not too sure where this is coming from as well, as you cannot fathom me making this post I can’t fathom the intense feelings I have brought out in some people with a simple thread. Honestly, it just seems as if people are looking for a reason to get heated, which I don’t have the energy. Many people agree that the form looks AF esque and the story telling consistently cannot take a step forward without taking two steps back, instead of complaining about my thread, I urge you to probably discuss the criticisms others have brought fourth.
Most of them are reactionaries that deny rape statistics. It’s a counter movement in response to feminism, it’s purpose exists to make the world a worse place. Not every MRA is a bad person but they have a twisted world view.Spadexxione wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:13 amMRA ren't bad peopleCure Dragon 255 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:38 pm I'm sorry but I am still sort of upset that Cipher mocked the topic creator so openly and didnt get anything. Not even a slap in the wrist. Aim is a nice guy, if a bit emotional and he didnt actually leave. So Cipher just mocked someone for the heck of it. I LOVE Cipher, their posts are epic and all. But I liked it better when they mocked only MRA assholes or other genuinely jerky or entitled assholes.
BTW I want that dub with all the Jeremy's and Milk Babe.
I’m literally not though, he’s consistently ignored me ever since the blow out where people essentially raided my thread on specific translations or whatever and straw-manned my positions. I wouldn’t be saying this if I didn’t think it was true, jeez don’t call me melodramatic.Cure Dragon 255 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:45 pm He likes you fine. Please dont be melodramatic like that.