Shaddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:56 am
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
No not "literally everyone" knows that, jeez talk about engaging in hyperbole
. I really don't see what's so "heinous" about me merely pointing out that it's a term that not everyone knows what it really means.
If you know it's hyperbole, why are you getting upset anyway? There is no meaningful group of people frequently using the word "TERF" that does not understand what it means. Other than you, I guess.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
I think your post is far more "heinous" as you're just wildly lashing out and attacking anyone that does agree with you, which isn't really making you look very good frankly
No, actually, the person playing apologist for transphobic rhetoric is worse. You aren't entitled to others' courtesy and politeness if you're going to be an asshole.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
Not every person spends every waking minute on social media and even those that do don't know what EVERY single term means, you have to look outside of your own bubble and realize there's loads of people that don't have a fucking clue what "TERF" actually means, I highly doubt Dave knows much about British feminism.
Because "TERF" doesn't mean "British feminist", it means "transphobe who calls themself feminist". Plenty of them are not British, and zero of them are feminists.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
Comparing Dave's special to Birth of a Nation makes no sense to me at all as I don't believe it does strengthen and embolden bigots,
Well, sorry you believe obviously-false things, I guess? I don't really care what "makes sense to you".
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
especially considering Dave went out of his way to denounce NC's anti-trans bathroom bill in his special.
You realize it's not a points system, right? Like, if I feed (9) homeless people, that doesn't give me the right to punch (1) homeless person.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
Nobody is going to be emboldened by that, unless you can prove with actual studies that someone say assaulted or harassed a trans woman solely because they watched a Dave Chappelle special, I ain't buying it.
You aren't buying it either way. Exhibit A:
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
There's nothing remotely "disingeous" about pointing out that nobody was fired just for speaking out against Dave, that's just a nonsensical conspiracy theory.
The reason they came up with to say they fired her for literally was proven to be a lie. I could make it clearer and talk about each person they have fired individually, but you do not care.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
If that was true, the logical thing would to be fire EVERYONE that spoke out to send a message, just firing one person though suggests they had other problems completely unrelated to this.
They HAVE fired other people, not that you bothered to check. But even if they didn't, you're wrong, because the first person got much more public attention than the others, which separates their effect from those who did so in a lesser way or on different platforms.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
At any rate you don't work at Netflix so you have no way of knowing with 100% certainty that they were fired just for speaking out, sorry but i'm not convinced.
Well duh, nobody is
trying to convince you. If you wanted them to do that, you'd have to give some indication that you were arguing in good faith and weren't completely full of shit. I'm mostly here to make sure none of the lies or misinformation you spew go unchallenged.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
Dave is not a "Transphobic shithead" just cause a few people say so.
That's true! Common mistake. He's a transphobic shithead because he professed and believes a bunch of transphobic shithead beliefs.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 pm
The fact that you a white man are dismissing a post by a black woman isn't making you come off particularly well I must say
You've greatly oversimplified what Zora actually said, now that's what I call "disingenuous"
You're a cis person trying to brand what a whole bunch of trans people of
varying races are saying as racist for legitimate criticizism of a rich comedian. I don't care what minorities you try to hide behind, bad things aren't suddenly good just because a black person says them. I don't give Ricky Gervais a pass when he pulls this shit either.
But it sure makes YOU look racist, since branding opposition to transphobia as anti-black would mean you think black people are innately transphobic.
I don't need to treat you like your shit opinion is valid just because you hide behind a dead woman to bolster it, just like I don't when conservatives use Candace Owens, Blaire White or Milo Yiannopolous to pretend they're not racist, homophobic or transphobic.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:44 pm
Dave isn't like that to trans people in real life for no reason though, just when they personally harass him when he's trying to mind his own business.
"It's okay to be transphobic if a trans person is mean to you"
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:44 pm
I'm well aware of the southern strategy thank you very much, but I really don't see how that's in any way similar to what Dave is doing, he's not trying to use Nixon-esque dog-whistling to turn people against trans folks or anything sinister like that, he's just being honest about his conflicted feelings is all.
And
we're just being honest about his "honest feelings" being a load of hateful bullshit, but for some inexplicable reason, that gets you mad when the bullshit itself doesn't.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:44 pmIn the special he said it's partly due to jealousy over how well things seem to be going for the LGBTQ community compared to the black community, as studies showed that white people's interest in racial justice in 2021 evaporated compared to last year, falling to even lower levels then pre-pandemic:
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-ne ... tter-fades
And so the natural response to this is to attack LGBT people? Gee, that sure sounds like a guy we should be listening to. One who treats human rights as a finite resource only certain people deserve.
KingVegetto wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:44 pm
You can't really prove factually that his material did harm someone though. This isn't like promoting anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories about COVID, it's just Dave airing out his own complicated opinions.
Actually, it's quite a bit like anti-vax conspiracies. Those are also "just complicated opinions", and BOTH have material harm. The only difference is you don't personally
deny it like you do harm toward trans people.
If you know it's hyperbole then why make a statement like that to begin with?
How do you know that for an absolute fact that there is "no meaningful group of people"? You're not a mind-reader so you have no possible way to prove that for sure.
I do understand what it means, i'm just saying Dave likely doesn't.
it's not "transphobic rhetoric" just because a few people like you say, not
"playing apologist" liar, i'm just saying you're mischaracterizing what was actually said.
no shit they aren't feminists, but it's not an exaggeration to say a lot of people don't know what that term actually means.
It's not "obviously false just because you say so
you aren't always right about everything you know.
You're right, I don't really care what crazy conspiracy theories you believe about Netflix, you can't factually prove for an absolute stone cold fact that they made up an excuse to fire that woman, I ain't buying it.
I did "bother to check" fool, I meant people they fired that they didn't later hire back.
The only one I see who is completely full of shit and not arguing in good faith here is you.
he's not a transphobic shithead as he does not hate trans woman, you can keep mischaracterizing him all you want, won't magically make it less true.
The only person I see trying to hide behind minorities here is you, you're coming off as pretty racist yourself by dismissing that article and lying about what it actually said. Don't know where you came up with that insane troll logic that me agreeing with that article somehow means I think black folks are inherently transphobic
I don't need to treat your dogshit opinion like it's valid either and I won't, i'm not hiding behind a dead woman idiot, but you're sure as hell hiding behind them yourself.
Never said it was OK to be transphobic if a person is mean to you genius, but go ahead and keep on lying about what I actually said, it amuses me.
I get annoyed when trolls like you blatantly lie, that's all their is to it.
Dave wasn't attacking LGBTQ people, and he's certainly coming off as a lot smarter and more intelligent then you are right now with your frankly pathetic whining and concern trolling.
No it's not remotely like those conspiracies, never denied harm towards trans people fool.
Go ahead and keep spreading those lies of yours, won't make them any less true.