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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by PremiumSalt » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:23 pm

Vorige Waffe wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:10 am Let's not get hyperbolic here; this release "looks better than the 30A" in the same way getting slapped in the face hurts less than being kicked in the balls.

It's still upscaled ass.
I mean, it's certainly not perfect but, personally nothing about it visually jumps out at me as being overly ugly like the 30A does. It's generally nice to look at.
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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by Trachta10 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:05 pm

another comparison
https://imgsli.com/NzMxNTU/0/1

look carefully at the details

Dragon Box
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Selecta Vision Upscale
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Dragon Box upscaled with 2x_DigitalFilmV4_Lite10-5_420k
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or selecta vision has the best upscale model the world has ever seen
or they are somehow not using just dragon box as a source...
call me crazy but I think their version have details that are not in dragon box
for example the button on the suit
should be impossible for an upscale to recover that detail
Am I crazy?

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by eledoremassis02 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:37 pm

Trachta10 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:05 pm another comparison
https://imgsli.com/NzMxNTU/0/1

look carefully at the details

or selecta vision has the best upscale model the world has ever seen
or they are somehow not using just dragon box as a source...
call me crazy but I think their version have details that are not in dragon box
for example the button on the suit
should be impossible for an upscale to recover that detail
Am I crazy?
I was thinking the same with the farmer shot.

As a test (to see if there was any hidden detail from DVD compression) I used my Region 2 Dragon Box and the Dragon Box footage on the FUNi Bluray extra
https://imgsli.com/NzMxNjc
https://imgsli.com/NzMxNjg

Doesn't seem like as much as these upscales suggest. Also noticed the FUNi Dbox Bluray footage not only has a bit stronger grain, it also doesn't seem to have that dark area motion blur that's on the Region 2 DVD (the FUNi boxes have it as well *tho I did not check this part of the show *android 18 exiting her pod*)

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by sangofe » Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:27 am

eledoremassis02 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:37 pm
Trachta10 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:05 pm another comparison
https://imgsli.com/NzMxNTU/0/1

look carefully at the details

or selecta vision has the best upscale model the world has ever seen
or they are somehow not using just dragon box as a source...
call me crazy but I think their version have details that are not in dragon box
for example the button on the suit
should be impossible for an upscale to recover that detail
Am I crazy?
I was thinking the same with the farmer shot.

As a test (to see if there was any hidden detail from DVD compression) I used my Region 2 Dragon Box and the Dragon Box footage on the FUNi Bluray extra
https://imgsli.com/NzMxNjc
https://imgsli.com/NzMxNjg

Doesn't seem like as much as these upscales suggest. Also noticed the FUNi Dbox Bluray footage not only has a bit stronger grain, it also doesn't seem to have that dark area motion blur that's on the Region 2 DVD (the FUNi boxes have it as well *tho I did not check this part of the show *android 18 exiting her pod*)

Maybe they're using the anniversary set without as much filters? Or ai upscale?

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by kyppk » Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:15 pm

I didn't bother ripping my 30th copy since I remembered the blog had this picture, but even the 1024x576 image has the button on it. It also has the leaf details in the top left.
Edit: If I had to guess I'd say the dust filter editing for the Dragon Box knocked it out and it didn't get caught, and the edit for the Levels/16:9/30th did.

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by eledoremassis02 » Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:17 pm

kyppk wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:15 pm I didn't bother ripping my 30th copy since I remembered the blog had this picture, but even the 1024x576 image has the button on it. It also has the leaf details in the top left.
Edit: If I had to guess I'd say the dust filter editing for the Dragon Box knocked it out and it didn't get caught, and the edit for the Levels/16:9/30th did.
That would possibly suggest that they're using pre-filtered sources (similar to FUNi GT)?

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Post by Shintoki » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:49 am

so are those releases the best looking release of Dragon Ball so far? Or is the raw release of Dragon Ball box still better quality wise? if it's the former, does anyone have an idea how long are they going to take to release all the series? i noticed that OG DB took them more than a year+ to complete, so i would imagine that all of Z is going to take them a couple of years at this rate? :think:
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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by eledoremassis02 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:09 am

I almost wonder if there is some AI guessing in this upscale? Looking at this rock, both on the Dragon Box and Level Set show this shading as fully colored where as the selecta vision Blu-ray shows it as lines? Since it's a Dragon Box upscale, as far as we know, I don't see how it could provide details that arent there in the source (see my post in regards to FUNi's uncompressed Dragon Box footage vs region 2 DVD)
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Side-by-side of Selecta Vision and Level sets (Level set reframed to overlap with Selecta vision for easier comparison)
https://imgsli.com/NzM0Nzk
Selecta Vision Blu-Ray
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Region 2 Dragon Box
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Level Set
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Shintoki wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:49 am so are those releases the best looking release of Dragon Ball so far? Or is the raw release of Dragon Ball box still better quality wise? if it's the former, does anyone have an idea how long are they going to take to release all the series? i noticed that OG DB took them more than a year+ to complete, so i would imagine that all of Z is going to take them a couple of years at this rate? :think:
Its a toss up. The Blurays are Sharpened but slightly DNR'd. They don't appear to have the weird ghosting in dark areas that the Dragon Box has, however. But, since the source is still Dragon Box, I'd say Dragon Box still gives the most pure experience. I think what they're doing with Z is a different process than what they did the DB.

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by kyppk » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:46 pm

Trachta10 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:42 pm 30th Anniversary
If I might ask, where/how did you get that image for the 30th. I only ask since my raw off of VLC has a lot more grain noise over it.
https://imgsli.com/NzM1MjE

Trachta10 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:53 pm something that caught my attention
in dragon box the car taillight has almost no color
but in the selecta vision upscale the ai somehow give it a red color
making it look closer to how it originally should look
Yeah its surprising but that color is at least there in some other releases. The dirt patch in the top right has a harsh line in it that no other release has which is probably caused by the ai upscale process since the release also has pretty sharp, defined lines throughout that other releases lacked.
Trachta10 wrote: Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:05 pm Selecta Vision Upscale
30th match for this, and man is it bad. I know the first episode is especially bad on the 30th, but jeez.
https://imgsli.com/NzM1MjQ
eledoremassis02 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:09 am I almost wonder if there is some AI guessing in this upscale?
Yeah there's a case for it, I mentioned it above with the dirt.
eledoremassis02 wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:09 am Side-by-side of Selecta Vision and Level sets (Level set reframed to overlap with Selecta vision for easier comparison)
https://imgsli.com/NzM0Nzk
Selecta Vision Blu-Ray
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Here's one with the 30th.
https://imgsli.com/NzM1Mjc

The Selecta has some weird red thing on the left rock that the AI seemingly misinterpreted as well since none of the other releases have it. It's most evident when compared to the Levels. Reread the thread, it was already brought up.

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by Trachta10 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:09 pm

kyppk wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:46 pm
Trachta10 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:42 pm 30th Anniversary
If I might ask, where/how did you get that image for the 30th. I only ask since my raw off of VLC has a lot more grain noise over it.
https://imgsli.com/NzM1MjE
I took it from Ajay's twitter
https://twitter.com/AnimeAjay/status/14 ... 4302860291

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by Trachta10 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:30 pm

kyppk wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:46 pm
Trachta10 wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:42 pm
Yeah its surprising but that color is at least there in some other releases. The dirt patch in the top right has a harsh line in it that no other release has which is probably caused by the ai upscale process since the release also has pretty sharp, defined lines throughout that other releases lacked.
Yeah but that color is there in the 30th because it took as source a native HD scan, while the image from Selecta Vision is supposedly just an upscale of a dvd that isn't even in HD

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by kyppk » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:27 pm

I was matching frames for the comparison thread when I noticed another, seemingly, ai bunder.

https://imgsli.com/NzM2NTg

If you look, the Selecta version knocks off Gohans nose and the stars in the Dragon Ball.

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by Trachta10 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:58 am

kyppk wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:27 pm I was matching frames for the comparison thread when I noticed another, seemingly, ai bunder.

https://imgsli.com/NzM2NTg

If you look, the Selecta version knocks off Gohans nose and the stars in the Dragon Ball.
How do that shot look in dragon box? remember this is an upscale of dragon box not from the 30th

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Post by kei17 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:15 pm

To me, it looks like they used Topaz Video Enhance AI.

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by Trachta10 » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:44 am

kei17 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:15 pm To me, it looks like they used Topaz Video Enhance AI.
some people in an upscale forum tell me that SV is probably using a Laserdisc as a source rather than a DVD
they are working on a source that has a little more details than the classic Dbox DVD
because even with all the dnr and oversharp that destroy the image they release sometimes has more details

look at the wrinkles in Goku's clothes

https://imgsli.com/NzM5NTc?fbclid=IwAR3 ... TNNyylw--o

the SV release looks similar to the cel

https://i.imgur.com/lEOyxqf.jpg

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by sangofe » Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:35 am

Trachta10 wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:44 am
kei17 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:15 pm To me, it looks like they used Topaz Video Enhance AI.
some people in an upscale forum tell me that SV is probably using a Laserdisc as a source rather than a DVD
they are working on a source that has a little more details than the classic Dbox DVD
because even with all the dnr and oversharp that destroy the image they release sometimes has more details

look at the wrinkles in Goku's clothes

https://imgsli.com/NzM5NTc?fbclid=IwAR3 ... TNNyylw--o

the SV release looks similar to the cel

https://i.imgur.com/lEOyxqf.jpg
I don't think there's laser discs exciting of any Dragon Ball episode.

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Post by eledoremassis02 » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:39 am

It's a scene with a lot of movement, so my guess is the DVD compression is whats causing those details to dissapear, and that on the uncompressed files they are there. The Dragon Box does look close to the the uncompressed files (atleast Z) but there still some level of compression

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Re: Selecta Visión Dragon Ball Z Blu-ray

Post by superrayman3 » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:11 pm

sangofe wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:35 am
Trachta10 wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:44 am
kei17 wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:15 pm To me, it looks like they used Topaz Video Enhance AI.
some people in an upscale forum tell me that SV is probably using a Laserdisc as a source rather than a DVD
they are working on a source that has a little more details than the classic Dbox DVD
because even with all the dnr and oversharp that destroy the image they release sometimes has more details

look at the wrinkles in Goku's clothes

https://imgsli.com/NzM5NTc?fbclid=IwAR3 ... TNNyylw--o

the SV release looks similar to the cel

https://i.imgur.com/lEOyxqf.jpg
I don't think there's laser discs exciting of any Dragon Ball episode.
Correct no country has ever released the DB/Z/GT anime series on Laserdisc (the 13 DBZ movies and 10th anniversary movie did see a laserdisc release in Japan but strangely 3 DB movies didn't get the same treatment or if they did they must have been produced in VERY limited quantities because AFAIK there's no evidence of the DB movies ever being released on Laserdisc).
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Post by kei17 » Fri Oct 01, 2021 1:42 pm

Well, there is a LaserDisc release of GT from Aiko Animation in Hong Kong. And in Japan, the LaserDisc of DBZ Movie 3 has a karaoke video of CHA-LA HEAD-CHA-LA as a bonus feature, which uses the footage from DBZ episode 1. That's the only thing from the TV series ever released on LaserDisc in Japan. I don't understand how Trachta10 got the idea of a possible LaserDisc release having more details than the DBox in the first place though.

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:08 pm

The original Dragon Ball anime run (outside the DBZ and 10th anniversary movies) was like the big exception to the multitude of anime Laserdisc releases going on at the time, even Sailor Moon was getting deluxe releases though that was more because it was a then ongoing series which was still in the process of airing new episodes.
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