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JulieYBM wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:45 am
We should abolish copyright laws and use an UBI system to insure that everyone--artist or not--has enough money to live, regardless of whether their work is popular enough or not.
It might be more realistic to promote Creative Commons (https://creativecommons.org/) as an alternative to copyright.
Arguing from a position of compromise will inevitably lead to even more compromise (i.e. being pulled further toward the position of the opposite party). I'll stay at my position and make them come to me. I don't have anything to lose as it is.
Ok. What problems do you have with Creative Commons as it exists right now and how would you change it?
Edit: Maybe I misunderstood Julie.
In an ideal world, I would want copyright abolished, and have Creative Commons fill the void. And yeah, UBI and universal healthcare are also must have (but off topic).
But for the foreseeable future, I'd settle for just propping Creative Commons.
I have my suspicions, but I think it's because DB belongs to Toei now more than to Toriyama.
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It might be more realistic to promote Creative Commons (https://creativecommons.org/) as an alternative to copyright.
Arguing from a position of compromise will inevitably lead to even more compromise (i.e. being pulled further toward the position of the opposite party). I'll stay at my position and make them come to me. I don't have anything to lose as it is.
Ok. What problems do you have with Creative Commons as it exists right now and how would you change it?
Edit: Maybe I misunderstood Julie.
In an ideal world, I would want copyright abolished, and have Creative Commons fill the void. And yeah, UBI and universal healthcare are also must have (but off topic).
But for the foreseeable future, I'd settle for just propping Creative Commons.
I think the argument Julie is making is the same one people make about Democratic Socialism or voting democrat: The system is the problem, so all you're doing is just picking the "less painful" option.
Arguing from a position of compromise will inevitably lead to even more compromise (i.e. being pulled further toward the position of the opposite party). I'll stay at my position and make them come to me. I don't have anything to lose as it is.
Ok. What problems do you have with Creative Commons as it exists right now and how would you change it?
Edit: Maybe I misunderstood Julie.
In an ideal world, I would want copyright abolished, and have Creative Commons fill the void. And yeah, UBI and universal healthcare are also must have (but off topic).
But for the foreseeable future, I'd settle for just propping Creative Commons.
I think the argument Julie is making is the same one people make about Democratic Socialism or voting democrat: The system is the problem, so all you're doing is just picking the "less painful" option.
Yeah, pretty much. Like, I also just have nothing to lose by sticking to a harder position on this subject. Nobody's hurting for Miss Julie's vote on...copyright laws and UBI.
Arguing from a position of compromise will inevitably lead to even more compromise (i.e. being pulled further toward the position of the opposite party). I'll stay at my position and make them come to me. I don't have anything to lose as it is.
Ok. What problems do you have with Creative Commons as it exists right now and how would you change it?
Edit: Maybe I misunderstood Julie.
In an ideal world, I would want copyright abolished, and have Creative Commons fill the void. And yeah, UBI and universal healthcare are also must have (but off topic).
But for the foreseeable future, I'd settle for just propping Creative Commons.
I think the argument Julie is making is the same one people make about Democratic Socialism or voting democrat: The system is the problem, so all you're doing is just picking the "less painful" option.
Okay.
Still, may I ask how Creative Commons is (in yours or Julie's opinion) a flawed system?
MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:36 pm
As opposed to the US where we keep extending copyright laws because a certain monopolizing company keeps lobbying..
Just for some clarification, what is Disney doing?
As far as I knew, the copyright owner has to abandon the copywrite property, as in not use it, before it falls into public domain, once it's been copywrited. And theres no way Disney continously going to use any of their properties, especially the more popular ones.
MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:36 pm
As opposed to the US where we keep extending copyright laws because a certain monopolizing company keeps lobbying..
Just for some clarification, what is Disney doing?
As far as I knew, the copyright owner has to abandon the copywrite property, as in not use it, before it falls into public domain, once it's been copywrited. And theres no way Disney continously going to use any of their properties, especially the more popular ones.
MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:36 pm
As opposed to the US where we keep extending copyright laws because a certain monopolizing company keeps lobbying..
Just for some clarification, what is Disney doing?
As far as I knew, the copyright owner has to abandon the copywrite property, as in not use it, before it falls into public domain, once it's been copywrited. And theres no way Disney continously going to use any of their properties, especially the more popular ones.
I like this commentor's question: “What would you do with Steamboat Willie’s Mickey Mouse if it enters the public domain?”
Because isn't that what it's going to come down to in the end? For people Like TNMark who want to so reviews and commentary and whatnot on sites like YouTube, maybe have some sort off agreement that let's you do that with permissions just like people have been doing for decades and decades. For those that want to make legal boolegs, .... maybe not.
Anonymous Friend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:00 pmFor people Like TNMark who want to so reviews and commentary and whatnot on sites like YouTube
For those that want to make legal boolegs
He wanted to do both. And he wasn't that concerned with the "legal" part.
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Some interesting information came out, especially Toei bypassing YouTube themselves and breaking their rules in order to block TNM's videos. YouTube wanted Toei to consider the idea that TNM's videos were fair use but it looks like Toei wasn't having it.
Some interesting information came out, especially Toei bypassing YouTube themselves and breaking their rules in order to block TNM's videos. YouTube wanted Toei to consider the idea that TNM's videos were fair use but it looks like Toei wasn't having it.
Now this is rather interesting.
The sheer scale of the initial takedown was unprecedented and highly suspect, and it's validating to see that it truly did involve Toei overstepping their boundaries.
Some interesting information came out, especially Toei bypassing YouTube themselves and breaking their rules in order to block TNM's videos. YouTube wanted Toei to consider the idea that TNM's videos were fair use but it looks like Toei wasn't having it.
My mouth was wide agape when TNM said Toei went against YT. And I was a bit more surprised that YT didn't immediately retaliate. You'd think that would be a lawsuit right there. That said was even more surprised than that, that YT said "You can't copywrite the world." This changes everything if Toei can't come up with a new argument. Someone could literally come out with Super Abridged tomorrow and Toei could only block it in Japan. Fair Use has won this day.
Mark's case really was the straw that broke the camel's back.
It might not have been the worst case, nor will it be the last one, but it was most certainly the one that got the world watching and forced everyone to seriously examine where they fall on this debate and make a decision.
And this time, the right decision was made by YouTube. People have often joked and meme'd about how YouTube doesn't care about its creators and will gleefully shill out to big corporate entities if they feel it serves them better, and there is still merit to that take. But at least for now, a new precedent has been set and Toei will need to seriously reconsider its strategy moving forward in dealing with content creators now that they know they don't have unilateral power over the platform's DB community.
HAHAHAHAHA, even YouTube didn't tolerate TOEI's breach of their boundaries.
Glad to hear this story end on a somewhat positive, albeit bittersweet, note.
I really was not expecting YouTube to play the good guy role in this scenario, but it's a welcome surprise.
Toei really needed this kick in the balls and it's been a long time coming.
Don't make YouTube a permanent job.
Do extensive research on infringement, fair use and copyright law before you cover a billion-dollar IP.
Capitalism sucks all kinds of dicks.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Yeah as much as I defend the right to defending your IP, Toei's stupidly haphazard and malicious targeting just did unnecessary harm. Good on YouTube for this compromise.
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