capsulecorp wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:45 pm
SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:37 pm
This doesn't really mean anything.
In many fictional stories you'll have mortals who reach apotheosis and become deities (like the Gods of Destruction), this doesn't suddenly mean that mortals are equal to Gods. It's literally in the word "God", which has always been used to refer to something or someone who is superhuman in nature.
The only Gods who can be demoted back to mortals are the Destroyers, since they were mortals in the first place. This can't happen to the Kais, who are all born Deities. A Kai doesn't "stop" being a Deity because it's literally in their nature to be Gods and, thereby, to be superhuman.
This isn't true. Kais are from the "World Core" but, again, being a Kai is a job. Not all people from World Core are Kais... indeed, some of them become demons.
Nowhere is it said that the Shinjin (Core people) are mortals and need to "become Kais" in order to attain Godhood. This is just headcanon.
Shinjin (Core people) are the truly divine species of the DB verse and they are born as Deities, then some of them can go on to become Kais, Grand Kais, Supreme Kais, etc. or simply Attendants to these Kais.
The Kais performing a job doesn't lessen their status as Gods in the slightest.
I guess I'm confused about in what way you think they're inferior. Zamasu's argument was that mortals are more "warlike" than gods. The natural rebuttal to that is "so what, that doesn't mean you can do a genocide, you maniac". After all, beings do not need to be identical to deserve rights.
You seem to be saying that mortal inferiority is about "powers" and being "superhuman"... but compared to the Kai there are countless mortals that are more powerful, more intelligent, have more useful abilities, and so on. Goku and Vegeta were already vastly more powerful than most or all of the living Kai back when they fought Buu, not to mention the abilities of the Tsufarians and the incredible power of Jiren.
Gods are superior to mortals because they're Gods, it's that simple. There's really no need to dwell on this any further. It's literally in the definition of the word "God" that they are superior.
Concretely in the DB verse, the Gods are entrusted by Grand Zeno with the duty of overseeing the universes and mortal affairs, making them superior. Strength has nothing to do with this.
LoganForkHands73 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:51 pm
SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:29 pm
A couple Saiyans named Kakarrot and Vegeta would like a word.
A word about what? About how they remain competitive only because they use the powers of the Gods, which is the point of the story since BoG (Battle of Gods)?
A word about how they, as puny mortals, became way stronger than Zamasu through simple hard work. What Dragon Ball has always been about from day one, essentially.
Zamasu wasn't better than Goku, genetically or physically. He knew this so well that he decided he needed to steal his body to achieve his goals. If that's not an implicit admission of inferiority, I don't know what is.
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They couldn't do anything to Zamasu and had to be bailed out by Grand Zeno, another God.
At the end of the arc, the Destroyer God Beerus literally tells them that they have become too reliant on the Gods helping and bailing them out of dangerous situations.