You talking about the Germany releases if so I hope your right.eledoremassis02 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:57 pmThe other good thing too is that they'll have more time (and perhaps money) who knows how much better the upscale could be!superrayman3 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:22 pmI'm feeling optimistic myself, I feel if fans support and encourage AB to continue releasing the entire series (the rest of DB, Z, and GT) using the process they currently are enough, AB will be more inclined to do so and if they do they'll have a true winner on their hands, AB threw a MASSIVE curveball nobody was expecting by deciding not to use Selecta-Visions "remaster" so close to release and I hope it pays off for them in spades because they've earned it.Vegard Aune wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:44 pm
Indeed. And I feel like, if they rejected Selecta Vision's upscales for DB, they would also be likely to reject CR's upscales for Z.
Is it a surefire thing that AB will go on to remaster Z later? Obviously not. Do I feel reasonably optimistic that they might? Yes.
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Toei (or most companies) doesn't deliver the dragon box footage to AB or Selecta in dvds but rather in a digital master. The gosting issue of the dragon box is not something related to it being in dvd format, rather something that was made in early 2000s and more than likely, edited and stored in tape for some part of its life.eledoremassis02 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:50 pm
Speaking of Disco Tek, I kind of feel like they should of just done a SD Bluray using uncompressed Dragon Box footage and the main seller being the Broadcast audio and color correction. While the upscale is impressive it still has the pitfalls of the Dragon Box (the ghosting is this there tho a little less obvious because some of those details didnt get thru the AI, and some details ended up getting slotched out duing the AI conversion.
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Oh yea, the ghosting was a result of the remastering process. Where I think they used DVDs and not the digital masters is mostly due to this shot where the AI picked up on the compression artifacts.jaisonas wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:55 amToei (or most companies) doesn't deliver the dragon box footage to AB or Selecta in dvds but rather in a digital master. The gosting issue of the dragon box is not something related to it being in dvd format, rather something that was made in early 2000s and more than likely, edited and stored in tape for some part of its life.eledoremassis02 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:50 pm
Speaking of Disco Tek, I kind of feel like they should of just done a SD Bluray using uncompressed Dragon Box footage and the main seller being the Broadcast audio and color correction. While the upscale is impressive it still has the pitfalls of the Dragon Box (the ghosting is this there tho a little less obvious because some of those details didnt get thru the AI, and some details ended up getting slotched out duing the AI conversion.
You can see similar kind of artifacts on the Japanese Rental DVD (I dont have the original DVDs)
Does anyone have any of the European sets? This is episode 20 so it would be interesting to compare
If it does infact come from a DVD source then AI upscaling like this is much more impressive!
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With all the hope in this thread about a potential Z remaster, does AB even have the Dragon Box footage for Z to work with in the first place? Or would they have to ask Toei for that?
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Granted it has a lot of micro edits, but I wonder if we can get the later ocean dub on it, if they do Z
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That release really looks phenomenal, wow! The color correction is really competent, I'm sure people responsible were avid fans.
As a IP lawyer, I'm really interested what legal standpoint would Toei have to eventually sue someone for using broadcast audios on release. And hear a reasoning, that the muffled terrible optical audio is so integral with artistic vision that it cannot be replaced
I don't quite buy into Funimation (now Crunchyroll) reasoning that the Toei does not let them use that audio. I mean, I don't think they control releases that much. For example look at some companys hideous covers on releases. Would they approve that?
As a IP lawyer, I'm really interested what legal standpoint would Toei have to eventually sue someone for using broadcast audios on release. And hear a reasoning, that the muffled terrible optical audio is so integral with artistic vision that it cannot be replaced
I don't quite buy into Funimation (now Crunchyroll) reasoning that the Toei does not let them use that audio. I mean, I don't think they control releases that much. For example look at some companys hideous covers on releases. Would they approve that?
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No, Toei dictates what they can, as the licensors, put on their home releases. FUNi can only put stuff on their releases of their products that they approve or provide for them. As for the covers, Toei provides them the assets usually for their releases. Unless FUNi gets shit commissioned for them that Toei approves, that's usually how it goes. Thus, Toei needs to approve what goes on their releases in regards to audio. Still doesn't make any sense why the people at Toei keep letting them put out shit remasters, but Toei also likes money, so...matburzy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:26 am That release really looks phenomenal, wow! The color correction is really competent, I'm sure people responsible were avid fans.
As a IP lawyer, I'm really interested what legal standpoint would Toei have to eventually sue someone for using broadcast audios on release. And hear a reasoning, that the muffled terrible optical audio is so integral with artistic vision that it cannot be replaced
I don't quite buy into Funimation (now Crunchyroll) reasoning that the Toei does not let them use that audio. I mean, I don't think they control releases that much. For example look at some companies hideous covers on releases. Would they approve that?
Anyways, gotta remember, Toei pulled rank on FUNi & got Team Four Star removed from Kai after they found out about it & forced FUNi to greylist Lani, Taka, Masako, & Kaiser from working for them (which goes way too far with it, but I digress) for a while.
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I can't believe they put together the definitive home video release of the series in under 2 months. Hats off to AB Video and I hope this release does well, they deserve it! It's so unreal that the show looks (and sounds!) this good through an official offering.
I would be a bit disappointed in the unrealized potential here (no native HD footage, the "broadcast audio" could have been properly sourced and restored) but anything more than this would have been pretty ambitious for a 153-episode anime. Funimation (Crunchyroll?), PLEASE take notes.
I would be a bit disappointed in the unrealized potential here (no native HD footage, the "broadcast audio" could have been properly sourced and restored) but anything more than this would have been pretty ambitious for a 153-episode anime. Funimation (Crunchyroll?), PLEASE take notes.
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I think they asked Toei for the sources they used for this master, so I'm sure they'd have to ask them for DBZ.
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They obviously do, since they used it for their DVD release ages ago.
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I'd sure like to see them try and actually use that as a reasoning for seeking a lawsuit against companies putting the broadcast audio on home releases. I mean seriously, trying to sue someone for using a higher quality audio source when the one that's been pushed on other licensees of the series for years upon years has been a low bitrate mono optical track extracted from the film masters themselves which sounds like garbage.As a IP lawyer, I'm really interested what legal standpoint would Toei have to eventually sue someone for using broadcast audios on release. And hear a reasoning, that the muffled terrible optical audio is so integral with artistic vision that it cannot be replaced
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At this point, putting broadcast audio on a release by Toei would be admitting that they were terribly negligent with one of their most successful series.
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That begs the questions, can licensee, legally, use sources outside of the rights holder. FUNimation had been caught using fansubs to jump start dubbing but they also didnt publish and sell it.SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:42 pmI'd sure like to see them try and actually use that as a reasoning for seeking a lawsuit against companies putting the broadcast audio on home releases. I mean seriously, trying to sue someone for using a higher quality audio source when the one that's been pushed on other licensees of the series for years upon years has been a low bitrate mono optical track extracted from the film masters themselves which sounds like garbage.As a IP lawyer, I'm really interested what legal standpoint would Toei have to eventually sue someone for using broadcast audios on release. And hear a reasoning, that the muffled terrible optical audio is so integral with artistic vision that it cannot be replaced
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Honestly, i just hope no one gets in trouble, still think, that if there is better audio to be used, then you should, how many lost movies or footage were found thanks to "private collectors"? Is it legal issue? Or some silly pride?
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Didn't someone offer Toei copies with the broadcast audio at one point within the last two or three years and they didn't accept it? Unless i'm mistaken, because of course since they apparently don't have the cine master audio tapes with the original masters any longer they obviously can't use it themselves.eledoremassis02 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:49 pmThat begs the questions, can licensee, legally, use sources outside of the rights holder. FUNimation had been caught using fansubs to jump start dubbing but they also didnt publish and sell it.SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:42 pmI'd sure like to see them try and actually use that as a reasoning for seeking a lawsuit against companies putting the broadcast audio on home releases. I mean seriously, trying to sue someone for using a higher quality audio source when the one that's been pushed on other licensees of the series for years upon years has been a low bitrate mono optical track extracted from the film masters themselves which sounds like garbage.As a IP lawyer, I'm really interested what legal standpoint would Toei have to eventually sue someone for using broadcast audios on release. And hear a reasoning, that the muffled terrible optical audio is so integral with artistic vision that it cannot be replaced
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Yup! That was Kei, I think he made multiple attemps to try and get it on an official release.SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:55 pmDidn't someone offer Toei copies with the broadcast audio at one point within the last two or three years and they didn't accept it? Unless i'm mistaken, because of course since they apparently don't have the cine master audio tapes with the original masters any longer they obviously can't use it themselves.eledoremassis02 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:49 pmThat begs the questions, can licensee, legally, use sources outside of the rights holder. FUNimation had been caught using fansubs to jump start dubbing but they also didnt publish and sell it.SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:42 pm
I'd sure like to see them try and actually use that as a reasoning for seeking a lawsuit against companies putting the broadcast audio on home releases. I mean seriously, trying to sue someone for using a higher quality audio source when the one that's been pushed on other licensees of the series for years upon years has been a low bitrate mono optical track extracted from the film masters themselves which sounds like garbage.
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It still baffles me even now that they didn't accept, i guess the suits running Toei just don't care that much and even a fan taking the liberty of offering them excellent sounding Dragon Ball audio source doesn't mean anything to them because they have such backwards ass policies and procedures in that regard. Like, does nobody there even think that the optical mono track sounds like muffled ass?eledoremassis02 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:10 pmYup! That was Kei, I think he made multiple attemps to try and get it on an official release.SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:55 pmDidn't someone offer Toei copies with the broadcast audio at one point within the last two or three years and they didn't accept it? Unless i'm mistaken, because of course since they apparently don't have the cine master audio tapes with the original masters any longer they obviously can't use it themselves.eledoremassis02 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 4:49 pm
That begs the questions, can licensee, legally, use sources outside of the rights holder. FUNimation had been caught using fansubs to jump start dubbing but they also didnt publish and sell it.
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I have received my Blu-Ray from FNAC. Got it very quickly despite being imported from France to the US and I am very pleased with the release. Here is a tweet I made showcasing screenshots from discs across the set: https://twitter.com/VennyRestore/status ... jpTfpP8Wzw
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Is it region free?Venny wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:54 pm I have received my Blu-Ray from FNAC. Got it very quickly despite being imported from France to the US and I am very pleased with the release. Here is a tweet I made showcasing screenshots from discs across the set: https://twitter.com/VennyRestore/status ... jpTfpP8Wzw