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Hello, ladies, gentlemen, and everyone between and beyond, and welcome to week 104 of the first Dragon Ball rewatch of the decade.
We're doing five episodes a week, and we'll be watching every single episode of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT. All 508 episodes. Plus the TV specials and the movies.
I encourage you all to watch in Japanese with subtitles, especially if you have never done so before (GT sounds great in stereo!), but watch along in whichever way brings you the most joy.
It's been my turn for PC troubles this week! My computer wouldn't turn on the past few days, but I identified and replaced the broken part (much to my relief earlier today; it was the power supply, but I was worried it would turn out to be the motherboard). Sadly this means I'm a little behind (I'd planned to watch the GT episodes on Saturday for trivia) and the thread has ended up being a pretty late posting, but KBABZ was able to solo write a lovely chunk of trivia for you all to enjoy this week, with some editing advised by myself.
Episode 455 - Lood’s Curse?! Pan Turned into a Doll(GT episode 11) Ocean dub title: Luud's Curse?!: Pan is Turned into a Doll!
Funimation dub title: Lord Luud's Curse
Originally aired 8th of May 1996
Written by: Masashi Kubota
Episode director: Kazuhito Kikuchi
Animation supervisor: Akira Inagami
Pan once again becomes a damsil in distress, this time to an especially creepy villain.
Trivia:
Spoiler:
The Para Para Computer announces when it's completed atmospheric departure. As we noted last time, the asteroid should have NO atmosphere!
While Pan admits she can't pilot a spaceship, at least she knows where the launch button is! (see Episode 1)
We can't figure out why there's a chute going straight to the garbage dump at the ship's control panel either. Possibly for dunking snack packaging.
The Para Para Brothers regained their Disco Jackets between episodes for some reason!
It took KBABZ until just now to notice that Son Para doesn't have a nose.
The sound effect used for the Para ship's landing is the same one used for Capsules, minus the "BOMB" sound effect.
While Pan looks at Gill's radar display, he slurps down two 3.5mm headphone jack cables.
Pan's actually pretty clever for realizing that the Dragon Ball Gill detected is the one the Para Para Bros. stole three episode ago.
The shot of Pan walking to the temple is a rare example of the animated portions being given full shading, to help them blend in with the painted background assets. Typically these portions have little to no shading due to their complexity.
In the shot of Pan landing inside the temple, a cross-fade is applied just before she descends. It's unknown why this is, and if it's a genuine error or a lazy way to shorten the length of the shot.
In the close-up of the Dark Dragon Ball when Pan points to it, the stars have more depth on them than they're normally depicted with, and implies that they're set inside the Dragon Balls rather than printed on the surface. This is actually consistent with the stars of the normal Earth Dragon Balls in Anniversary Movie.
Amusingly, Mutchi-Motchi described Lood as their God of Destruction. Beers remains unimpressed.
Pan has inherited her grandfather's occasional habit of taking action while his opposition is spending too much time talking, taking the Six Star Ball while Mutchi-Motchi is babbling on about Luud.
Despite being placed on a soft pillow-like surface, the Dragon Ball makes a low "thonk" sound when Mutchi-Motchi puts it back.
When arriving, Goku wonders why Pan's ki suddenly disappeared. If we were to speculate, it could be because being turned into a doll reduced it to a truly negligible amount.
When turned into dolls, Lood's subjects have red eyes rather than white.
Much like in Resurrection F, Goku is tricked by the bad guy secretly shooting a pistol at him. It disappears in the next shot.
The "Leion" (whose name pun should be obvious) has some similarities to the Golden Oozaru, namely the dark skin, yellow fur, and crosshair eyes.
Mutchi (who was also the whip, which we agree is weird) is also yellow with crosshair eyes. He also has an elongated head, another in the long list of Dragon Ball villains using this famous trait of the Xenomorph.
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Episode 456 - The Oracle of God is Super-Annoying!! Lood Maneuvers(GT episode 12) Ocean dub title: The Oracle from the God is a Great Nuisance: Luud Starts Up!
Funimation dub title: The Last Oracle of Luud
Originally aired 15th of May 1996
Written by: Masashi Kubota
Episode director: Osamu Kasai
Animation supervisor: Masayuki Uchiyama
Goku and Trunks fight a whip.
Trivia:
Spoiler:
In the recap of Episode 11, Pan no longer says "Bye bye!" before running from Mutchi-Motchi, to aid with pacing when the Narrator comes back in.
With his erormous upper lip-muzzle, Mutchi bears a certain resemblance to Semi-Perfect Cell.
When Mutchi first cracks his Devil Whips on the ground, the background of the two shots use the same painting of the floor. This makes it look like the grit on the floor disappear randomly, when they're supposed to be two different spots of the floor.
Also like Cell, Mutchi likes to raise floor tiles up into the air.
The swords being thrown at Goku have the exact same style of hilt as Future Trunks' sword. A dime a dozen, those things!
As Goku turns Super Saiyan, his yellow hair flickers on and off. This is similar to how the anime depicted the very first time Goku transformed on Namek, as his rage started to fly off the handle.
In the reveal shot of Goku as a Super Saiyan, the shot plays twice for some odd reason.
In Dolltaki's reveal scene, no shot of him ever shows his face completely unobscured.
Dolltaki's name is considered a pun on "doll" and "Otakki" (an alternate form of "Otaku"), which makes sense given his creepily possessive behaviour. Pan herself directly calls him a doll otaku after he lays her into the doll bedroom.
In completely unrelated trivia, there's a guy in Japan who quit his job to help manage his Goku figure collection.
As is apparent by now, Episodes 11 and 12 are rather critical of cults and religions whose believers blindly rely and follow their higher figures, be they gods or priests.
Not counting the ad break, it takes Trunks almost ten whole minutes to go Super Saiyan and throw off the tile pyramid he'd been holding up that entire time.
Despite his visible degradation of strength, Trunks is able to destroy Mutchi with a single ki attack, someone who Goku was struggling with.
We don't need to tell you that Dolltaki lifting up the shirt of a 10 year old and smiling with glee is FUCKING DISGUSTING and one of Toei's utter low points of the franchise.
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Episode 457 - This Guy’s in Charge?! Mysterious Scientist Mu(GT episode 13) Ocean dub title: The Mysterious Dr. Myuu!
Funimation dub title: The Man Behind the Curtain
Originally aired 22nd of May 1996
Written by: Aya Matsui
Episode director: Yoshihiro Ueda
Animation supervisor: Tadayoshi Yamamuro
Goku and Trunks fight the big bad while the big bad's boss awakens; meanwhile, the big bad's boss's boss reports to the big bad's boss's boss's boss (who is secretly working for the big bad's boss's boss's boss's boss, but we won't meet him until like episode 20).
Trivia:
Spoiler:
Pan notes how incredible Lood's ki is, meaning she knows how to sense ki!
Both Dolltaki and Dr. Mu have "babies" as their pet projects.
It's unknown how much of a reference Lood's design is to Baby's own name, considering Baby is more of an appropriated moniker than a true name.
Lood's low grumbles have a strong resemblance to Shen Long's, if they're not the exact same voice clips outright.
Goku and Trunks are able to hear Pan's call for help, despite Pan herself bemoaning that Dolltaki can't hear her later in the episode. This is either a plot hole, or Dolltaki is able to hear Pan's protests THE ENTIRE TIME.
Trunks is bemused at Goku slapping his butt to goad Lood into attacking him. This is ironic because it's the very same Trunks who goaded Broly into attacking him in Second Coming with the exact same approach.
Goku is also depicted wearing his own pair of trunks, which is odd considering he typically wears his gi with nothing underneath it.
In Funimation's 1995 dub of Dragon Ball, Goku was also depicted wearing trunks. These clips were used in the Dragon Box to highlight how the West censors the show for broadcast in a semi-mocking tone.
The dress that Dolltaki gives Pan is the style her grandmother Chichi wore to the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. It's also the same style as Chu-Lee from the Faster than Lightning filler episode of Dragon Ball, who wore the same Chun-Li-type hair buns that Dolltaki gives Pan in this episode.
The second scene with Dolltaki is the first time Pan is depicted with her bandanna off in the story. She does however also have it off in one of the shots of the first GT ED, of her and Trunks waking up in the morning.
Thanks to the episode's editing, Goku apparently spanks his butt in front of Lood for nearly two whole minutes.
When Goku fires the Kamehameha at Lood, the blast pushes his hair up, giving him a Super Saiyan-like appearance.
Dolltaki's plan to kill all of his subjects isn't too thought-out, considering those subjects were the ones helping him find the Dragon Balls for Dr. Mu.
It's unexplained exactly what the globe thing is that Dr. Mu hovers over his hands.
Dr. Mu describes Lood as a mutant, although Lood doesn't appear to have any organic components.
Dr. Mu and Dr. Gero's parallels begin here, as they are both old men whose creations we first meet are designed to absorb people's energy. They're also the creators of villains who mix organic and mechanoid parts.
It's easy to miss, but Dolltaki and Dr. Mu have similar jacket designs.
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Episode 458 - Get the Rhythm Perfect?! The Strategy to Defeat Lood!!(GT episode 14) Ocean dub title: His Rhythm is Perfect! The Luud Strategy.
Funimation dub title: The Battle Within
Originally aired 5th of June 1996
Written by: Shinobu Ōito
Episode director: Mitsuo Hashimoto
Animation supervisor: Yūji Hakamada
Goku and Pan defeat Lord Lood with the secret of all good comedTIMINGy.
Trivia:
Spoiler:
Lood's appearance after absorbing Pan is similar to the video game boss concept of "turns red", where after taking a certain amount of health a boss turns red and is much faster and aggressive than before.
In case it isn't clear, Dolltaki was perfectly happy with kissing a 10 year old.
The sheer amount of destruction caused by Lood is quite the compliment to Pan, considering she's the source of his huge jump in strength.
Despite no longer being under the dancing spell, Dolltaki divulges specifics and advice on how to destroy Lood.
Goku not being good at counting is an allusion to this habit back at the start of the manga, which is why he gives an incorrect age to Bulma in the second Chapter.
The entire GT Trio forget they can fly after Dolltaki as he escapes in his pod.
Gill is such a useless character, he only appears at the end of the episode for about six seconds.
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Episode 459 - I’m Running Away!! Pan’s Desertion?!(GT episode 15) Ocean dub title: Pan Runs Away!
Funimation dub title: Beginning of the End
Originally aired 12th of June 1996
Written by: Shinobu Ōito
Episode director: Shigeyasu Yamauchi
Animation supervisor: Toshiyuki Kan’no
Pan Runs Away.
Trivia:
Spoiler:
Because of the way the interior of the Octopus ship is orientated, during travel it would feel as if it were always travelling up while riding inside it.
Gill gives a direction of "South-West" which, as we established back in Episode 2, is completely useless in space.
Episode 15 is notable for having a rather distinct look for its foreground sand dunes, which are often darker and less saturated, and have a much higher degree of texturing than a typical Dragon Ball background painting.
As we noted in the pre-GT Trivia, Episode 15 utilizes a lot of concepts devised by Toriyama for the show. The hot desert setting and the giant red Ant Lion were shown in one of his three concept pieces. As well, the ship using water for fuel (complete with the mosquito hose) is something Toriyama only mentioned as a detail in his design sketch of the ship, and is featured in this episode.
The scissor lift that Trunks uses is Capsule Corp-branded, although the S is drawn backwards.
The pink mug that Pan throws across the floor has "Gokū" written on it.
It's unknown if the ship uses its fuel tanks when water features are used, like taps and showers.
If so, Pan shouldn't be able to fill up her water vessel, since Trunks implied that all their water leaked out of the tanks from the Ant Lion attack. At the very least, Pan is possibly draining from the ship's remaining fuel to fill up her vessel.
Like most fictional characters in the desert, Pan is visibly wasteful when drinking from the water vessel, with some of it spilling out and not reaching her mouth.
Despite thinking her dangerous in previous episodes, in this one Gill states that Pan is his friend.
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Trivia written by KBABZ. Episode summaries, airdates, and titles courtesy of Kanzenshuu's episode guide.
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The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.
Awwww Yeahhhh!!! Isss DOLTAKKI TIME BAY-BEE!!!!!!!
So I like Doltakki. He's a fun villain and also a memorable one.
Hirotaka Suzuoki (Tenshinhan) gives a good performance in the role. I like how he's clearly evil but also childlike and petulant. And it's nice that they gave the actor something to do. This works much better than his horrible Budokai Announcer from the Boo arc.
Doltakki's scenes with Pan are probably the highlight of these episodes. While certainly a little troubling, they are also very well crafted. I love the attention to detail inside Doltakki's special room. From the older dolls that he pushes aside to the tiny dresses that he delicately pulls from out the tiny closets. It's all hilariously disturbing and Suzuoki's performance is infectiously creepy.
The thing that really makes it all work though is again, Yūko Minaguchi as Pan. Seeing her little lifeless doll body being tossed about while hearing Pan's inner thoughts of increasing distress and gross-out is wonderful. It definitely makes everything that much creepier and that much funnier. The whole thing feels like an old Twilight Zone episode or something. And yes, the shirt-lifting scene is very troublesome, but I do still appreciate the humor in Pan being completely flat-chested during that moment. Overall, these are very memorable scenes from GT, and while they are understandably unpopular among many fans, I found them enjoyable upon rewatch.
As for the rest, I enjoyed seeing Goku and Trunks fight a damn whip lol.
Lood was a cool boss villain. He should be in a video game if he ain't already. Watching these episodes, I'm still trying to figure out what exactly a Machine Mutant actually is...
I enjoyed Doltakki's death scene and the introduction to General Rilld. Very ominous. I couldn't figure out though just how exactly Doltakki was killed. At first I thought his entire head was blown off, but then you see his body lying there with what looks to be his jaw still attached. Maybe only the top half of his head was blown off?
MyVisionity wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:30 pm
Awwww Yeahhhh!!! Isss DOLTAKKI TIME BAY-BEE!!!!!!!
So I like Doltakki. He's a fun villain and also a memorable one.
Doltakki's scenes with Pan are probably the highlight of these episodes. While certainly a little troubling, they are also very well crafted.
The thing that really makes it all work though is again, Yūko Minaguchi as Pan. Seeing her little lifeless doll body being tossed about while hearing Pan's inner thoughts of increasing distress and gross-out is wonderful.
And yes, the shirt-lifting scene is very troublesome, but I do still appreciate the humor in Pan being completely flat-chested during that moment.
I'm sorry but what the FUCK. I'm guessing you're also overly-excited for the deer suckling scene at the start of the Baby Arc??? This is disgusting.
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MyVisionity wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:30 pm
Awwww Yeahhhh!!! Isss DOLTAKKI TIME BAY-BEE!!!!!!!
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Doltakki's scenes with Pan are probably the highlight of these episodes.
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Seeing her little lifeless doll body being tossed about while hearing Pan's inner thoughts of increasing distress and gross-out is wonderful.
What the fuck, dude?
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.
This whole part of GT is really weird to me, like I can't get invested in any of the characters. Doll Taki is a pedo (and his design is atrocious), the Para Para Brothers are annoying(and their design doesn't work for me), and Mutchi is a... whip, lol. Lood is a giant robot baby. But I like the idea, the cult, the planet, how it is connected to the Mutant planet and Baby... thing is the fighting is not interesting to me at all.
Toei was really overusing the term hakaishin. First, Cell, then this giant baby, if it were up to them, a lizard would also have gotten the job.
And yeah, I'm not surprised with what has been stated above. At all.
To be honest, I quite like the Para Para Bros. They overstay their welcome a little, but I still enjoy them for the most part.
The best part is the cult and Lood. A shorter version of this run of episodes with no Dolltakki, where Mutchi reports directly to Mu or Rildo, and where the Para Para Bros. part is shorter and thus allowed to be a little bit of fun, would be a lot better.
But honestly, Dolltakki aside, I do enjoy these episodes despite their flaws.
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.
My favourite part of the Luud saga was the final episode where Pan had to work with her grandpa to destroy it. That's some proper character interaction and development there; Pan hugging Goku at the end is so satisfying after those episodes where she first didn't even want to look at him.
Episode 15 is the star of the show because of how back to basics the story is. While the idea of Gill defeating the ant lion is both rather implausible and handled entirely off-screen, the runaway plot works because of its focus on Pan and her feelings. I also really like the observatory scene on the Octopus ship; Pan giving up on abusing Gill makes her feel mentally defeated, and the purple colouring throughout makes the scene stand out because Dragon Ball so rarely does lighting that way.
MyVisionity wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:30 pm
Awwww Yeahhhh!!! Isss DOLTAKKI TIME BAY-BEE!!!!!!!
So I like Doltakki. He's a fun villain and also a memorable one.
Hirotaka Suzuoki (Tenshinhan) gives a good performance in the role. I like how he's clearly evil but also childlike and petulant. And it's nice that they gave the actor something to do. This works much better than his horrible Budokai Announcer from the Boo arc.
Doltakki's scenes with Pan are probably the highlight of these episodes. While certainly a little troubling, they are also very well crafted. I love the attention to detail inside Doltakki's special room. From the older dolls that he pushes aside to the tiny dresses that he delicately pulls from out the tiny closets. It's all hilariously disturbing and Suzuoki's performance is infectiously creepy.
The thing that really makes it all work though is again, Yūko Minaguchi as Pan. Seeing her little lifeless doll body being tossed about while hearing Pan's inner thoughts of increasing distress and gross-out is wonderful. It definitely makes everything that much creepier and that much funnier. The whole thing feels like an old Twilight Zone episode or something. And yes, the shirt-lifting scene is very troublesome, but I do still appreciate the humor in Pan being completely flat-chested during that moment. Overall, these are very memorable scenes from GT, and while they are understandably unpopular among many fans, I found them enjoyable upon rewatch.
As for the rest, I enjoyed seeing Goku and Trunks fight a damn whip lol.
Lood was a cool boss villain. He should be in a video game if he ain't already. Watching these episodes, I'm still trying to figure out what exactly a Machine Mutant actually is...
I enjoyed Doltakki's death scene and the introduction to General Rilld. Very ominous. I couldn't figure out though just how exactly Doltakki was killed. At first I thought his entire head was blown off, but then you see his body lying there with what looks to be his jaw still attached. Maybe only the top half of his head was blown off?
Shit My Visionity Says.
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
I also like that the cult and their facilities remind me of the "cult" from Danny Boyle's The Beach. Or maybe the other way around.
There are many nods to real life movies, intentional or not, like Trunks in carbonite and I think when they are following the Brothers into some caves on some planet there's a similar scene in A New Hope.
Well, you couldn't go into space in the 90s without referencing SW.
Positives:
-One of my biggest issues with GT has always been how Toei rather consistently used Pan, the first female fighting character to remain a consistent member of the core cast, as a "damsel in distress", and of course, the most uncomfortable instance of that is coming up next episode. All that being said, I do appreciate, at least here, the fact that she takes an active role in the plot, in spite of her circumstances of being separated from the others, going after the Six-Star Ball. It doesn't completely fix the issue, but it does make it come off a little better, imo, and I felt it worth mentioning.
-Leion has a pretty cool design, even if it is mostly just a palette swapped lion. And it's...really fluidly animated for some reason. Can't wait to see what they do with i--
-Okay, yeah, the gag with them building up Leion only for Goku to unceremoniously and effortlessly take him out is pretty funny. The dramatic music placement leading up to it helps sell it, too.
-I'm still enjoying the Para Para Brothers, they're pretty fun characters, and I liked the gag with Son Para accidentally blurting out that the ship was going to Lood.
Negatives:
-Okay, I've said this before and I hate to be a broken record, but, good lord Pan's treatment of Gill is insufferable. It's not funny, it's not endearing, and it hurts her likeability as a character.
-Mutchi's design is the first in a recurring issue I have with some of GT's villains feeling "over-designed".
-Oh god, Dolltaki is coming up. I'll...have a few choice words for this coming up.
Neutral/Observations:
-This is our great god of destruction, Lood-sama. lol
Also, yeah, what the actual fuck, MyVisionity.
Dragon Ball Arc Rankings: 1. Piccolo Daimaō 2. Saiyan 3. 22nd Budōkai 4. 23rd Budōkai 5. Hunt For the Dragon Balls 6. Zamasu 7. Moro 8. Tournament of Power 9. 21st Budōkai 10. Broly 11. Battle of Gods 12. Boo 13. U6 Tournament 14. Freeza 15. Red Ribbon Army 16. Artificial Humans/Cell 17.Golden Freeza
Kunzait_83 wrote:No matter what twisted pretzel logic you contort yourself into to try and convince yourself otherwise, Raditz landing on Earth is the middle of the fucking story. Zero context, zero setup. Its in NO way meant to be seen as a "beginning point" for ANYTHING other than the next story arc. It flows precisely and fluidly from where things left off in the aftermath of the 23rd Budokai and mostly hits the ground running from there without really stopping to look back. You're plopping someone into the middle of a book starting at chapter 195 out of 519 for absolutely no good goddamn reason, with very minimal opportunity to look back at much needed context and character/story growth.
It's just like I said, there's a lot to appreciate about the Doltakki scenes in spite of the troubling content. I don't think there's anything "disgusting" about that point.
There's plenty of humor and the creep factor is just right. I enjoyed it, and in large part due to the interplay between Doltakki and Pan.
Honestly, it's a well done sequence thanks to everyone involved, and probably one of my favorite parts of GT. The questionable content doesn't change any of that for me personally.
I don’t see how there’s anything to “enjoy” about Dolltaki’s scenes with Pan. If they’re intended to be creepy, then they certainly succeeded, but how is that enjoyable?
Dolltaki in general feels out of place in a story like Dragon Ball.
WittyUsername wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:38 pm
I don’t see how there’s anything to “enjoy” about Dolltaki’s scenes with Pan. If they’re intended to be creepy, then they certainly succeeded, but how is that enjoyable?
Creepy has always been enjoyable in fiction. The audience is supposed to feel scared, or uncomfortable, or tense and so on. It's just another component of storytelling and entertainment.
These episodes had some cool moments, like Trunks going SS1 to lift the tiles, Goku's short fight with Mutchi, the Goku/Trunks team up vs Luud, and the genuinely funny way they beat Luud with the food chant. They even tie the chant thing in again during the Super 17 arc.
Mutchi's design is also cool and reminds me of Imperfect Cell. I do find it strange how Goku and Trunks power down from Super Saiyan so prematurely during the fight with Luud, staying in base for the rest of the fight.
Oh now, the infamous dorutaki (that's how they called it in mexico and it took me long enough to figure out it "doru" was the "doll".
Seeing her little lifeless doll body being tossed about while hearing Pan's inner thoughts of increasing distress and gross-out is wonderful.
It is a very stressing scene, considering the fact that I was like 12 when I first watched it, it's child abuse and it is beyond creepy. I agree with the fellow that commented earlier that they would place Pan back at a damsel in distress position, rather than a main role so it is sort of a fail, so why did they do it?
Honestly I think it was a little bit of... let's call it twisted fan service from Toei Animation because let's face it in Japan there are many men who enjoy Loli so we could have one case of JarJarBinks, where George Lucas confessed having created that character to represent the way he sees fans of the franchise, perhaps Doltaki is the way Toei sees the guys that are after Pan... i'm just Saiyan...
PS.Sorry for bringing SW every so often, can't helpt it. My relatives call it "the other dragon ball" because of how I get with it as well XD
Saiya6Cit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:35 am
Oh now, the infamous dorutaki (that's how they called it in mexico and it took me long enough to figure out it "doru" was the "doll".
Yeah, the Ocean dub used that name too.
For the record, Funimation called him Daltaki, so it seems neither dub could quite get that name right.
Saiya6Cit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:35 am
PS.Sorry for bringing SW every so often, can't helpt it. My relatives call it "the other dragon ball" because of how I get with it as well XD
No need to apologise for using your own interests to make your ideas more approachable, and there's no shame in harmlessly enjoying things a lot.
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.
Saiya6Cit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:35 am
PS.Sorry for bringing SW every so often, can't helpt it. My relatives call it "the other dragon ball" because of how I get with it as well XD
It's okay, those two franchises are really easy to compare with each other. I often think of Dragon Ball as being "Japanese Star Wars" because of how both franchises seem to occupy the same position in the pop culture landscape.
Also, in case you're wondering, "Japanese Star Trek" is Gundam.
Saiya6Cit wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:35 am
PS.Sorry for bringing SW every so often, can't helpt it. My relatives call it "the other dragon ball" because of how I get with it as well XD
It's okay, those two franchises are really easy to compare with each other. I often think of Dragon Ball as being "Japanese Star Wars" because of how both franchises seem to occupy the same position in the pop culture landscape.
Also, in case you're wondering, "Japanese Star Trek" is Gundam.
Yeah, Dragon Ball and Star Wars compliment one another quite well. Despite having different settings they are both at heart fun fantasy adventure tales. The concept of ki energy also shares the same philosophies as using the force. Both also lend themselves to orchestral scores more than any other type of music.
Gundam is definitely more in line with Star Trek as both take a more grounded approach (which I'll say is not necessarily better, just less lighthearted) to storytelling.
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And getting cancelled and then uncancelled via reruns and movies!
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.