WIth the success of the Sonic movie, is it time for Hollywood to revisit Dragon Ball?

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Re: WIth the success of the Sonic movie, is it time for Hollywood to revisit Dragon Ball?

Post by FoolsGil » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:40 pm

I think it's time for Hollywood to give Dragonball another shot, whether TV or Movie. It's not just Sonic 1 and 2, Detective Pikachu was really good too. Controversially, I liked Netflix Bebop for what it is, though accept it could have been much, MUCH better.

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Post by MyVisionity » Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:34 pm

Definitely television. Not only because it suits the manga/anime format better, but also because any attempt to do a film version would probably try and make it too family friendly. Don't want to see no watered down Roshi or lose the brutal violence and gore.

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Re: WIth the success of the Sonic movie, is it time for Hollywood to revisit Dragon Ball?

Post by MasenkoHA » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:21 pm

MyVisionity wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:34 pm Definitely television. Not only because it suits the manga/anime format better, but also because any attempt to do a film version would probably try and make it too family friendly. Don't want to see no watered down Roshi or lose the brutal violence and gore.
I don't know why you think television would be less family friendly than film but far be it from me to question anything you say ever.

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Re: WIth the success of the Sonic movie, is it time for Hollywood to revisit Dragon Ball?

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MyVisionity wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:34 pm Definitely television. Not only because it suits the manga/anime format better, but also because any attempt to do a film version would probably try and make it too family friendly. Don't want to see no watered down Roshi or lose the brutal violence and gore.
You just really need sex offender Roshi, eh? And the most brutal violence in DBZ is right on the edge of PG-13/TV-14
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Re: WIth the success of the Sonic movie, is it time for Hollywood to revisit Dragon Ball?

Post by MyVisionity » Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:57 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:21 pm I don't know why you think television would be less family friendly than film.
I figured a streaming network would be less likely to have to conform to mainstream expectations and standards whereas film would be far more restrictive and too interested in pleasing all audiences.

jjgp1112 wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:40 pm You just really need sex offender Roshi, eh? And the most brutal violence in DBZ is right on the edge of PG-13/TV-14
I just want Roshi and Oolong to be the perverts they are with as little restraint as possible. Sure, maybe not *every* single gag needs to be recreated or *every* single boundary broken, but hopefully a live-action DB would own and embrace its perversion.

I don't think that you would see dismemberment and vomiting blood and so forth if the film were too family friendly. At best it would end up like the old Toonami version or something.

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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:37 am

MyVisionity wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:57 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:21 pm I don't know why you think television would be less family friendly than film.
I figured a streaming network would be less likely to have to conform to mainstream expectations and standards whereas film would be far more restrictive and too interested in pleasing all audiences.

jjgp1112 wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:40 pm You just really need sex offender Roshi, eh? And the most brutal violence in DBZ is right on the edge of PG-13/TV-14
I just want Roshi and Oolong to be the perverts they are with as little restraint as possible. Sure, maybe not *every* single gag needs to be recreated or *every* single boundary broken, but hopefully a live-action DB would own and embrace its perversion.

I don't think that you would see dismemberment and vomiting blood and so forth if the film were too family friendly. At best it would end up like the old Toonami version or something.
What's the point of making them perverts? It's not like their actions are going to be played for eroticism for the audience to get off to. There's zero reason to make them perverts, just like there's zero reason to make them perverts in the original comic and cartoons.
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Re: WIth the success of the Sonic movie, is it time for Hollywood to revisit Dragon Ball?

Post by MasenkoHA » Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:25 am

MyVisionity wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:57 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:21 pm I don't know why you think television would be less family friendly than film.
I figured a streaming network would be less likely to have to conform to mainstream expectations and standards whereas film would be far more restrictive and too interested in pleasing all audiences.

jjgp1112 wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:40 pm You just really need sex offender Roshi, eh? And the most brutal violence in DBZ is right on the edge of PG-13/TV-14
I just want Roshi and Oolong to be the perverts they are with as little restraint as possible. Sure, maybe not *every* single gag needs to be recreated or *every* single boundary broken, but hopefully a live-action DB would own and embrace its perversion.

I don't think that you would see dismemberment and vomiting blood and so forth if the film were too family friendly. At best it would end up like the old Toonami version or something.
Oolong can have a panty fetish and Roshi can enjoy porn mags they don't need to be seizing opportunities to molest women.

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Post by MyVisionity » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:18 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:37 am There's zero reason to make them perverts, just like there's zero reason to make them perverts in the original comic and cartoons.
It's who they are as characters, and it's the kind of world that the story lives in. Take away the characterization and the sexuality from DB and you lose part of what makes it what it is.

MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:25 am Oolong can have a panty fetish and Roshi can enjoy porn mags they don't need to be seizing opportunities to molest women.
Are we going to see Oolong actually attempting to steal these panties? Is Roshi only gonna lust over porn mags and not over Bulma herself? No more crotch shots/panty peeks, tits and ass? I'm not saying bring on the molestation, but like, don't gut the characters.

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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:35 pm

MyVisionity wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:18 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:37 am There's zero reason to make them perverts, just like there's zero reason to make them perverts in the original comic and cartoons.
It's who they are as characters, and it's the kind of world that the story lives in. Take away the characterization and the sexuality from DB and you lose part of what makes it what it is.

MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:25 am Oolong can have a panty fetish and Roshi can enjoy porn mags they don't need to be seizing opportunities to molest women.
Are we going to see Oolong actually attempting to steal these panties? Is Roshi only gonna lust over porn mags and not over Bulma herself? No more crotch shots/panty peeks, tits and ass? I'm not saying bring on the molestation, but like, don't gut the characters.
We're talking about making a film for a mainstream and family-friendly audience—like the original comic and cartoons are supposed to be for and also outright fail to properly be acceptable for. Outright, unchallenged sexual harassment and sexual assault is not acceptable.
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Re: WIth the success of the Sonic movie, is it time for Hollywood to revisit Dragon Ball?

Post by MyVisionity » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:43 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:35 pm Honey, I'm the most perverted bitch on this forum, but if we're talking about making a film for a mainstream and family-friendly audience—like the original comic and cartoons are supposed to be for and also outright fail to properly be acceptable for—then outright, unchallenged sexual harassment and sexual assault is not acceptable.
You're right, which is why I have a problem with trying to make a live-action adaptation too mainstream or family-friendly. You do that, then you lose part of DB's heart and soul.

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Post by Shorty GZ2 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:47 am

MyVisionity wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:57 am I just want Roshi and Oolong to be the perverts they are with as little restraint as possible. Sure, maybe not *every* single gag needs to be recreated or *every* single boundary broken, but hopefully a live-action DB would own and embrace its perversion.
Bruh this is wack

And also from seeing how the 2nd Sonic movie handled melding realism with more familiar fantasy concepts from the games & kept the original spirit, along with over the years of live-action action movies showcasing more DB reminiscent fight scenes, DB absolutely can work in live-action/Hollywood if given an honest original-material-respecting shot/great looking approach by a pretty cool director/action choreographer with a neat cast. It's not exactly a hard or impossible series to adapt in principle, just that Evolution bellyflopped in such spectacular fashion that people are way too close-minded to it now.

I could go without it though, not exactly something I'd be clamoring for until it actually does happen, then I'll prob follow the production & watch it out of curiosity lol

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Post by MyVisionity » Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:38 am

Shorty GZ2 wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:47 am
MyVisionity wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:57 am I just want Roshi and Oolong to be the perverts they are with as little restraint as possible. Sure, maybe not *every* single gag needs to be recreated or *every* single boundary broken, but hopefully a live-action DB would own and embrace its perversion.
Bruh this is wack
What's so wack about it?

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Post by Shorty GZ2 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:44 am

If you can't already see what's so wack about it, then you'll prob not understand or figure it out here lol

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Post by Cursed Lemon » Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:24 pm

There is no way you can translate Dragon Ball as we love/appreciate it to live action, or at least the modern product. You could make something under the Dragon Ball brand that works in the context of something else, e.g. a wuxia film, but the reality is that the humor is very rooted in the medium, the action is too, and people screaming like that in live action would be corny beyond belief.
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Post by Shorty GZ2 » Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:06 pm

I think you guys need to watch more big action movies. And/or pro wrestling lmao

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Post by Cursed Lemon » Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:28 pm

What's the closest analog, The Matrix? That's not doing it for me with Dragon Ball. And the absolute last thing I want to see is Dragon Ball Marvel-ized.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:01 pm

A live-action Dragon Ball movie would probably be rated PG or PG-13 like previous DBZ/S movies are. I doubt they would tone the violence or sexual themes down that much.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:14 pm

When Dragon Ball (and any work, really) made the jump from comic to animation the staff of the animate series and films had to adapt Dragon Ball to the unique qualities of the different medium. In the 1980s and 1990s (or the 2008 special) that mean allowing directors employ their own unique styles. Ueda Yoshihiro and Yama'uchi Shigeyasu both showed that they understood with that with their episodes and films. Similarly, when adapted into a live action format, a director would have to highlight the unique qualities of live action filmmaking to adapt Dragon Ball. Part of that would be in choreography and physical acting. Those things require things that we very seldom see in mainstream fair like the Marvel films, so I would definitely not take notes from those films in that respect.
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Post by Shaddy » Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:17 pm

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This might be my general bias against hollywood adaptations of...anything (what can I say? they're so bad so often), but I am blown away by how much people seem to have no idea what they actually want from film adaptations of shows like this. It seems like their #1 priority in a good DB movie being made is the concept of that movie existing, rather than the experience of it as a film. Maybe they just want cinema fans to treat Dragon Ball like higher art than it is? I dunno. But what I do know is that it's inherently a pretty futile effort, because no live-action film, no matter how much money you shove into the CG budget, will capture the bold design work Dragon Ball is known for.

Debatably, even Toei struggled to capture it. Sure, most Maeda episodes are great and Yamamuro brought it to a different kind of good when he showed up, but a lot of episodes look kind of crappy, especially when the direction is off. The less said about Super's style, the better.

Toriyama's art and pacing and paneling is the single best thing about Dragon Ball as a property, it would not exist in a way even remotely resembling what it does if not for those things. Dragon Ball's story is a meandering mess. One that has plenty of great moments! But it is not holistically a series with a lot of consistent structure (it literally was designed without one in the back half, after all). The mere idea of Goku being on screen and firing a kamehameha does not inherently contain value. The idea that it would is what brought us Evolution.

And yes, I know this may sound hypocritical coming from a Sonic fan, but I think this is largely true about Sonic as well. The series only survived the 2000s because Yuji Uekawa's design sense and the general spectacle of the series remained so strong, and the movie looks...not great. I know Tyson Hesse saved the whole thing with his redesign, but I still don't like it. Sonic's proportions are weird, his face and teeth are still more detailed than they should be (what is up with those wrinkles whenever he scowls?), and it just doesn't have the fluidity of Ohshima or the solidity of Uekawa. The rest of the movie is just boring real-world locations and very generic-looking robots. I admit I haven't seen much of the sequel (saving it for my podcast further down the line), but these movies trying their absolute best managed the staggering peak of quality for live-action game movies called "basically okay", and I think Dragon Ball deserves better than that. It's not going to get there with a milquetoast live action attempt, no matter how many Marvel movie comparisons you make.

Also, lol. They absolutely would tone down both the violence and the sexuality for a mainstream film, and they would be right to do so. Oolong and Roshi are fucking gross and if you think their behavior should be retained you're probably gross too and should go away.

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Post by MyVisionity » Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:53 pm

Shaddy wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 6:17 pm Also, lol. They absolutely would tone down both the violence and the sexuality for a mainstream film, and they would be right to do so. Oolong and Roshi are fucking gross and if you think their behavior should be retained you're probably gross too and should go away.
So it's somehow okay to do away with the sexuality and violence but you leave behind Toriyama's art and visuals and it's suddenly a crime??

It's a lose-lose situation no matter which way you slice it, as long as a live-action adaptation is mainstream and/or marketed to families and children.

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