Isn’t that a dub line? She just calls Caulifla ‘sis’ in the Japanese version.MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:24 amI can sort of understand people interpretating Caulifa as not a woman loving woman. But I don't know how anyone could read Kale as anything other than a lesbian in love with her one and only.Majin Man 101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:11 am
I thought it was fairly obvious what was going on with the two Saiyan lesbian girls in the tournament of power arc but I have had people tell me I’m misunderstanding their relationship. I guess the writing is so bad it wouldn’t be hard to misunderstand it. However, since it wasn’t made “blatantly” made clear, I think it made everyone take a double take on it because it is very odd indeed whatever is going on there,or not?
Honestly I think it would blow up the internet either way.
How would the Dragon Ball fandom react if Jiren were made into a gay man?
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I am not aware, I have never seen the English dub of super, all I know is that there was definitely going more going on there than just sisterly vibes.WittyUsername wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:08 amIsn’t that a dub line? She just calls Caulifla ‘sis’ in the Japanese version.MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:24 amI can sort of understand people interpretating Caulifa as not a woman loving woman. But I don't know how anyone could read Kale as anything other than a lesbian in love with her one and only.Majin Man 101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:11 am
I thought it was fairly obvious what was going on with the two Saiyan lesbian girls in the tournament of power arc but I have had people tell me I’m misunderstanding their relationship. I guess the writing is so bad it wouldn’t be hard to misunderstand it. However, since it wasn’t made “blatantly” made clear, I think it made everyone take a double take on it because it is very odd indeed whatever is going on there,or not?
Honestly I think it would blow up the internet either way.
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'Ane-san' isn't literally 'sisters related by blood'. Caulifla leads a gang, so calling her 'ane-san' is like calling her the 'bis sis'or 'boss' of the gang. Kale's arc is that she learns to go from watching the back of the woman she loves to standing by her side.
Anyway, they're totally Sapphic. Sapphic relationships don't look like relationships between men and women so unless you're Sapphic you're probably going to have a hard time deciphering the vibes.
Anyway, they're totally Sapphic. Sapphic relationships don't look like relationships between men and women so unless you're Sapphic you're probably going to have a hard time deciphering the vibes.
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tbf all the saiyan fusions "love" themselves to an extent
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Universe Six surrounding Kefla and congratulating her for learning to love herself like the end of Evangelion TV Episode #26: "Omedetou!"
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They love themselves a little too much i would say lol.PurestEvil wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:58 amtbf all the saiyan fusions "love" themselves to an extent
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Why do you feel this way?Ashur wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:52 amThey love themselves a little too much i would say lol.PurestEvil wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:58 amtbf all the saiyan fusions "love" themselves to an extent
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Hell, I haven't even watched the Tournament of Power yet, only experienced it through video games; and even then I can tell Kale has romantic feelings for Caulifla.
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She's WLW. He interactions with Kale are very relationship-driven and she's also completely oblivious. Nothing more Sapphic than two girls who don't know if they're actually dating or not.MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:24 amI can sort of understand people interpretating Caulifa as not a woman loving woman. But I don't know how anyone could read Kale as anything other than a lesbian in love with her one and only.Majin Man 101 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:11 am
I thought it was fairly obvious what was going on with the two Saiyan lesbian girls in the tournament of power arc but I have had people tell me I’m misunderstanding their relationship. I guess the writing is so bad it wouldn’t be hard to misunderstand it. However, since it wasn’t made “blatantly” made clear, I think it made everyone take a double take on it because it is very odd indeed whatever is going on there,or not?
Honestly I think it would blow up the internet either way.
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Because the fusions are all full of themselves.
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Kefla can actually back it up, though.
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Does Jiren NEED to be gay though? Dragon Ball has amassed tons of gay fans over the years and counting despite what some might consider negative stereotypes.
and again plenty of people thought Freeza, Zarbon and the Ginyu squad were all gay or gay adjacent ( Hell they all very well could be) but that didnt stop the series from exploding 20+ years ago.
Why would that change for Jiren?
and again plenty of people thought Freeza, Zarbon and the Ginyu squad were all gay or gay adjacent ( Hell they all very well could be) but that didnt stop the series from exploding 20+ years ago.
Why would that change for Jiren?
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Yes.
Welcome to being queer, we roll with a ton of fucking punches.goku the krump dancer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:47 amDragon Ball has amassed tons of gay fans over the years and counting despite what some might consider negative stereotypes.
That's because it's only subtext and can therefore be 'ignored' or 'tolerated' by otherwise intolerant people.goku the krump dancer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:47 amand again plenty of people thought Freeza, Zarbon and the Ginyu squad were all gay or gay adjacent ( Hell they all very well could be) but that didnt stop the series from exploding 20+ years ago.
Anyway, they're all bisexual anyway.
Because after we make Jiren's queerness text we're going to make everyone's queerness text. Jiren's just the first first in the Queer Agenda.
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Re: How would the Dragon Ball fandom react if Jiren were made into a gay man?
Of course not. Unless Dragon Ball wants to take the brave stand that gay people can be boring too.
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Oh, to be a bisexual fujoshi discussing Jiren with a room full of straight men.
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But would that be good or bad representation?
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I mean, there isn't anything hateful about Jiren hypothetically being gay. If anything, it would go against the stereotype that gay men are super flamboyant and stuff.goku the krump dancer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:08 amBut would that be good or bad representation?
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Good and bad representation are many things. There's always a tendency to make a queer character a little too squeaky clean, which I think does a disservice to queer characters in general, but this is ultimately a trauma response. Most of y'all aren't queer and didn't have to grow up as such consuming popularized images of characters like you that were offensive on top of living in hostile homes. I personally first and foremost trust queer creators with telling the stories of queer characters but I don't think the staff of the Dragon Ball Super cartoon were too far off from getting Kale and Caulifla done better, either. Like, I think it would have been the most natural thing in world for Caulifla and Kale to kiss just before the Potara merger or in Episode #131. Similarly, I don't think it would have been out of this world to depict tension between Jiren's disgust and attraction to Gokuu in a romantic manner. Hell, let the guy give Toppo a thank you kiss in Episode #131!
Queer love doesn't need to be justified. It can just be because.
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Idk is Jiren bad representation for dudes who work out a lot at the expense of having a personalitygoku the krump dancer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:08 amBut would that be good or bad representation?
Would it matter if Jiren was gay or straight or bi or ace when he has all the depth of a puddle on a sunny day?
I say let him continue to exist as a blank slate so fans can project whatever they want on him.