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Toei-made characters you love and wish to see back in the series?

Post by Geraldo » Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:19 am

Toei had managed to create some characters interesting enough to get included in the storylines somehow (may it be a 2 pages special additions for the Dragon Ball Super Manga about past events or in the plot ahead). I will start with mine, I had always loved:

1. Garlic Jr. and the Makyans; who brought a new angle regarding the role of Kami and his backstory.

2. Their additions to the Frieza Force (Orlen - a soldier who acts without getting the order from his superior/s; Namole - who can be a squadron leader and a former comrade of Raditz; Blueberry and Raspberry - 2 scouts who think of betraying Frieza and use the Dragon Balls for their own wishes; Planthorr and Malaka - who nursed Gine while she gave birth to Goku and to her baby afterwards till he was released home; Team Dodoria - they can expand upon Dodoria's character when he's not bossed around by Frieza, but they've got to have names; even the squadron Ginyu tried out has some potential to be used in past events like the battle on Cereal; and the blue Frieza Force soldier that Nappa talked with about Vegeta's power in the Bardock OVA felt like how the Frieza Force would operate on a colonized planet, by leaving some of their men behind to mark the reign of Frieza).

3. The orphan boys and especially Pigero as folks Gohan may come across again by chance and see what fate had for them, C-6 the robot whom I have hoped Gohan will help unearth one day in the aftermath of the Namek crisis, Lime and her grandfather, Mr. Law, could be friends Gohan remember; Dr. Flappe can be a Red Ribbon defunct scientist who tried to warn the world of Dr. Gero's plans only to get the news media laugh at his face, Vodka and his mob are nice comedic relief, Lord Jaguar can expand what we know about Mr. Satan and even Maluja can be used as a mockery of religion 'priests' who lie to their audience non-stop and won't stop at anything (including the sacrifice of children) to give down their political status and wealth/power.

4. I also find the additions of the Invisible Spaceship Kids led by Zeshin whom I hoped will be brought up sometime in the future, AND Zacro and Raiti who could be taken care of by someone who might be important to the story who happens to track their ki on "Fake Namek" (like a new villain foreshowing himself), worthy of screen time.

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Post by Xeogran » Sat Nov 05, 2022 3:23 pm

Paikuhan definitely, his moveset with tornadoes is cool and unique to this day. Perhaps he could learn to do faster poses so there wouldn't be such a drawback to his main attack.

I also liked the Mushroom Announcer so I'd be glad to see him back too :thumbup:

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Post by MrSatan2099 » Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:35 am

I really like Dr. Flappe. I think the idea of a scientist being forced to work for the Red Ribbon army lines up well with Android 8 as a character.

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:38 pm

I liked a lot of the filler characters. It would be cool if an adult Gohan got to interact with the orphan kids or if we found out what happened to the people aboard the ship that the crew ran into on their way to Namek. Could even be cool to know what happened to the fake Namekians. Anything to expand the lore. Just as long as it doesn't clash with the established story. Yes, technically the orphan kids thing never happened, but it's not that it couldn't.

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Post by Koitsukai » Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:14 pm

Paikuhan, I really like.

Bardock's squad also looks promising, that fat dude with the bowl haircut always cracked me up.

But I guess my favourite Toei character has to be the Great Kaio sama. His introduction is incredible, he shows up wearing jeans, bumping up music and dancing.
He's funny, weird, old, and super powerful, and he'll find any excuse to not do something, I can definitely relate to a guy that says he'll do something and then takes it back with some silly excuse, lol ... and surprisingly he's the first geezer that isn't a perv (so far). He likes cars, he has a unique hobbie, he isn't reading porn like Ro Kaioshin or collecting panties like Roshi, which is extremely odd for an anime martial arts sensei.

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Post by Hero » Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:37 am

Koitsukai wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:14 pm
Bardock's squad also looks promising, that fat dude with the bowl haircut always cracked me up.
You mean fat Nappa? :lol:

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Post by sunsetshimmer » Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:10 pm

Aside from characters that could be rebooted like Cooler or Baby (i don't want any Broly-like reboots) i think Paikuhan is the best pick.

Also, while not being Toei-made, i'd like Erasa to return for a single scene at least. She got more screentime in anime and i liked her so would be cool to see her again.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:09 pm

Paikuhan is easy to come back. Just erase the scene where Goku and Paikuhan go to Hell to fight the other villains, and you are good to go.
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Post by Grimlock » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:28 pm

You'd also have to "erase" Goku's line saying he couldn't have performed fusion because there was no one at his level.
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Post by Geraldo » Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:47 am

Grimlock wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:28 pm You'd also have to "erase" Goku's line saying he couldn't have performed fusion because there was no one at his level.
Theoretically, if Goku couldn't perform the Fusion Dance with Pikkon after their gap in power was too big, it's not a retcon. What if Goku's power level without any Kaioken or Super Saiyan stage wasn't as large as Pikkon's base power (his techniques increase his power level to the realms of the Cell Games' top-limits Super Saiyan 1), the Fusion Dance could not be done. And if Goku would go Super Saiyan 2 or 3, his power level will be too much and way too much (respectively) for Pikkon to handle in battle and thus unfitting for the dance.
Hellspawn28 wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:09 pm Paikuhan is easy to come back. Just erase the scene where Goku and Paikuhan go to Hell to fight the other villains, and you are good to go.
It can be easily done if you only remove Frieza from that scenario. It's quite amusing to see King Cold in command of the Ginyu Force as he apparently was back in the old days; and Super Perfect Cell gets outsmarted by Pikkon's technique which burst his power level sharply enough to nullify the Bio-Android (just like how wisdom was a more valuable component than raw strength in the Tournament of Power).

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Post by Cipher » Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:24 pm

Geraldo wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:04 am It can be easily done if you only remove Frieza from that scenario. It's quite amusing to see King Cold in command of the Ginyu Force as he apparently was back in the old days; and Super Perfect Cell gets outsmarted by Pikkon's technique which burst his power level sharply enough to nullify the Bio-Android (just like how wisdom was a more valuable component than raw strength in the Tournament of Power).
Hell doesn’t work like that in the main continuity. All the residents are put in their own little spaces with the expectation that they’ll repent/be cleansed and reincarnated.

Re: Thread: Can’t say I’m hungry for any remaining Toei characters to get a reimagining. The only ancillary characters I’d really be eager to see in the main story in any capacity would be Towa/Mira/Fu, just because they’re so weird and already have Toriyama involvement/flavor.

EDIT—Toei’s Grand Kaio is good, and a character already stated to exist (though he’s never seen) in the manga. He can stay.

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Post by PurestEvil » Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:49 am

Annin from the "Wedding Saga" in the end of Dragon Ball was pretty cool in her own right, though I dunno how she'd be incorporated in the story nowadays. Other than her, I'd like to see more of the other Kaious (South, East, West).
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Post by Geraldo » Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:47 am

PurestEvil wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:49 am Annin from the "Wedding Saga" in the end of Dragon Ball was pretty cool in her own right, though I dunno how she'd be incorporated in the story nowadays.
If Goku and Chi-Chi recall these events while talking to Goten about that scenario, in either the Dragon Ball Super manga or anime, they'll become canonical to the main story.

Or have Dende cross dimensions alongside Mr. Popo for whatever reason in the given point the story needs them to, and encouter her there.

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Post by Grimlock » Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:39 am

Geraldo wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:47 am Theoretically, if Goku couldn't perform the Fusion Dance with Pikkon after their gap in power was too big, it's not a retcon. What if Goku's power level without any Kaioken or Super Saiyan stage wasn't as large as Pikkon's base power (his techniques increase his power level to the realms of the Cell Games' top-limits Super Saiyan 1), the Fusion Dance could not be done. And if Goku would go Super Saiyan 2 or 3, his power level will be too much and way too much (respectively) for Pikkon to handle in battle and thus unfitting for the dance.
I think Paikuhan is too powerful when he shouldn't have been. If Super Saiyan Goku is supposed to be more or less on par with Paikuhan (that was always my impression anyway), then Goku should be able to one shot Cell either (which would contradict the series, I guess). If that's the case, then it also means that by the end of the seven years, Goku should have probably and at least closed the gap between him and Paikuhan in base or Super Saiyan.

Do we know if Paikuhan can control his Ki? He could have lowered it a little bit, if so.
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Post by Geraldo » Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:59 pm

MrSatan2099 wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 8:35 am I really like Dr. Flappe. I think the idea of a scientist being forced to work for the Red Ribbon army lines up well with Android 8 as a character.
I doubt they'll detach Android 8 from being solely created by Dr. Gero &/ Vomi, after all they've invested in building them up and that all the Red Ribbon Army Androids were Gero's creation and signature shtick.

Dr. Flappe could be a minor Red Ribbon Army scientist who was taken captive and was forced to work on "lower" technologies. I can see him working on stuff such as the machinery and vehicles that the RRA used, while Gero and Vomi dealt with the real serious stuff.

I wouldn't mind seeing Dr. Flappe being forced into converting Tao Pai Pai into a cyborg by Master Shen (who paid him lots of money for it); as Gero was too focused on his Androids and mourn over his loved ones, that he went into hiding and wasn't detectable.

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