SSj Kaboom wrote:When movies are adapted from comic books and the like, they can't always have the movie versions of the characters precisely true to their comic book / cartoon counterparts. And I stress the word 'counterpart'; they're NOT the same characters. They're different characters heavily based on the originals.
Which is fine. But saying that it's alright to make things different because it's different
is stupid. It's going to different, simply because it's a movie. But using that as an excuse for bad story telling is pathetic. The dub is an 'adaptation' of the original script - it doesn't make it good. Bardock being a scientist was not a good decision.
SSj Kaboom wrote:Characters in long-running series, especialy decades-long series like the comic books (let's use Spidey) have had hundreds of issues worth of character development to make them what they are now. Like with Mary Jane for example. Older, hardcore fans wil know all about who Gwen Stacy is... was... or is again... or whatever, and they would have appreciated or enjoyed it if she'd been Peter's girlfriend in the first movie. But they're a relatively small percentage of the audience, MOST of which who when asked, "Who is Spider-Man's girlfriend," think, "Mary Jane, duh." Knowing this, the writers made MJ Peter's love interest from the beginning.
Which is exactly what I'm angry about. Someone decided that "hey, the way it is isn't good enough for us. Yeah it's good literature, but the people who've never seen it before won't recognize the character. New and unexpected things scare people, so we'll fuck the story up instead."
SSj Kaboom wrote: We more knowledgable Spidey fans know how much Peter and MJ went through before they ended up together, but when you've only got 2 hours to both establish the characters and go through a decent story, there's really no way to fit all that in.
Which is why I've always been "pro-cut". If you can't fit it in, cut it out - don't change it, cut it. If you can't fit Parker going through two girlfriends in one movie, don't
SSj Kaboom wrote:My point is, and has always been, that it's all about ADAPTATION when it comes to movies like these. Save for some rare cases, to expect characters and events to be EXACTLY the same as the original versions is stupid, because they CAN'T be. There's either not enough time, or it's all too much to fit in.
Would I have liked for the Green Goblin to have dropped Gwen off the bridge and killed her in Spidey 1, as it was a big part of COMIC BOOK Spidey's character development? Sure, it would've been cool. But did I go into the movie expecting it to utterly suck because I knew he wouldn't? No. Absolutely not. I went in there thinking, "It's an understandable change, and I'm going to like the movie either way, because it's Spider-Man, and I like Spider-Man."
I went in expecting them to ignore Gwen. Honestly, I assumed it - I wasn't happy with it, but I accepted that it was going to be that way. But when they went ahead and did the whole story arc with MJ instead, I got pissed. If you didn't have the time to do it, or wanted to do an adaptation of the overall Spider-man story: fine, remove the whole plot arc. Don't throw MJ in there and then not
kill her off. Then Parker quits web slinging because... noone's died? What?! If you know Spider-man, you can see they've fucked it up- if you didn't know Spider-man you'd assume that Parker's supposed to be a whiny bitch.
Further, they pulled Gwen back in in movie three. Well, her name was Gwen Stacy - nothing else was the same. Following this logic, Raditz will show up on Namek and have no idea who this 'Goku' character is. After all, Raditz is the only child and heir to the empire of a "brilliant scientist".
SSj Kaboom wrote:I have the same attitude about the DragonBall Z movie, and I can guarantee that will allow me to enjoy it. God forbid I ever become a big enough fan of anything to become so anal and ridiculous as to actually dislike the idea of it getting a movie.
You misunderstand. Those that are against the movie, aren't against a good movie
. We're against a terrible movie. Which is exactly what we'll get - mark my words.
SSj Kaboom wrote:P.S. - I loved Spider-Man 2. About the only problem I've ever had with the Spidey movies in general is the choice of Tobey Maguire; Peter Parker should be a nerdy wisecracker, not a babyfaced whiner. I don't mind other slight character changes, but Peter Parker is Peter Parker, no matter what the medium. Hopefully, the DBZ movie won't have a similar problem.
They didn't find someone to fill the shoes of a comic book character that's been part of popular culture for forty years, they're going to fail miserably with DBZ.