Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

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Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by theherodjl » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:58 pm

Say Whis was under orders from Daishinkan to test the full might of his universe's best fighters by threatening to destroy it, could all of the strongest, smartest, and most experienced fighters of Earth as well as Broly & Freeza be able to stop Whis?
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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:02 pm

I don't think their full might would be enough to challenge an Angel. I believe the difference in power is too significant.
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Post by Lionel » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:58 am

Ultimate Vegetto using a Kaioken x20 in conjunction with an Ultimate Gohaly (Broly + Gohan fusion) fighting Whis? I can't see how Whis would be able to stand up to a combination like that. Strong as he is, there's just too many resources on Universe 7's side for them to fail here. Let's also not forget about Akkuman's Devilmite Beam.

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Post by omegacwa » Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:55 am

Has anyone else thought of the concept that Whis might actually be beyond reproach? Since he is a true divine being it is possible that no one will every surpass him because it is literally impossible.

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Post by Dragon Ball Gus » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:39 am

Absolutely not. It wouldn't even be close. :lol:
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Post by theherodjl » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:46 pm

omegacwa wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:55 am
Has anyone else thought of the concept that Whis might actually be beyond reproach? Since he is a true divine being it is possible that no one will every surpass him because it is literally impossible.
I would like to believe that...but this is DB. Even divinity is more than capable of being crushed by limitless strength or just flimsy rules regarding the pantheon(like both a Hakaishin & Angel being taken out of commission just by killing the Kaioshin). Beerus, a god of destruction, was once thought to be beyond reproach by Goku & other mortal beings but they have since managed to surpass him in raw strength, Vegeta also proving that the power of destruction can be overwhelmed with immense Ki.
If mortal beings can surpass even the Hakaishin then its not impossible for them to one day achieve power comparable to an Angel, especially since the Angels don't seem to hold any issue with allowing mortals to inch closer to them. That actually might be the plan for all we know.
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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Speedster » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:31 am

I believe that although Beerus was written in a way that his strength would serve as the ultimate benchmark for the heroes and villains/antagonists throughout Dragonball Super, the angels were written to be the mighty cosmic beings whose strength and abilities stay out of reach forever. Much like the likes of Spectre in DC and Eternity in Marvel. At best, the angels will be equalled/surpassed at the TRUE END of ALL Dragonball series. Something like if we were going to get a final closure to all Dragonball like we got in GT with Goku becoming the rider of Shenlong, obtaining a phantom form and fast-forwarding 100 years into the future.

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Alruneia » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:25 am

I'm gonna go with no. For starters, only so many people can fight a single person at a time before it becomes a detriment (bumping into each other, hitting each other, etc.), so you can immediately discount most of the fighters from any physical fighting. However, I also doubt that their combined power, if they all made one energy blast together for example, would be able to do much even with a direct hit.
The best chance they'd have as I see it is to form Gogeta and then pour everyone's power into a Special Beam Cannon or a Destructo Disk. Makankousappou or Kienzan. Or any other specialised technique that can do more damage than a regular attack at the same strength. Then they'd have to find a way to make that attack land, if that's even possible. Only then would they be able to deal some actual damage, and even then the fight would be far from over.
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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Kataphrut » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:09 am

With someone like Whis, I don't think numbers would help. He'd just manoeuvre through them with his Ultra Instinct. Like how he was handling Goku and Vegeta simultaneously and causing them to bump into each other. You'd just need to be fast, strong and reactive enough to fight him hand to hand, which I don't see happening any time soon.

Numbers would be better for your tanky fighters like Jiren or Broly, where the goal is to simply try and wear them down.

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Post by Block88 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:11 pm

No until we get a limit of the angels whis would just stomp them.

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Post by Koitsukai » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:11 pm

Well, they could hardly take Jiren with UI and all, I don't see them getting close to Whis not even with Broly and Gogeta UI on their side.

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Tsufuru » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:35 am

whis blitzes and one shots every single one.

and they cant touch him anyways.
he is massivly faster and got ui on top of that.
they can literaly try whatever they want he will drink tea and still dodge them.

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by p-hyvo » Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:31 pm

Not at all
remember fellas, anyone in gt after m2 >>>anyone in z (bog + rof excluded obv)

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:31 pm

An Evolved kaioken Gogeta should be 400× stronger than the guys that should be near Beerus.

Without another retcon Evolved kkx20 Gogeta should atleast match Whis.

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Post by p-hyvo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:07 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:31 pm
An Evolved kaioken Gogeta should be 400× stronger than the guys that should be near Beerus.

Without another retcon Evolved kkx20 Gogeta should atleast match Whis.
Normal ssb gogeta is already much stronger than beerus
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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Super Murjin » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:41 pm

An angel would destroy everyone with ease.

It would look like that scene from Tree of Might where Goku beats up all of Turles' men at the same time.

No chance for the mortals against an angel.

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:58 pm

Super Murjin wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:41 pm
An angel would destroy everyone with ease.

It would look like that scene from Tree of Might where Goku beats up all of Turles' men at the same time.

No chance for the mortals against an angel.
Without making Beerus and Whis stronger again Gogeta should be a threat to an Angel.

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by p-hyvo » Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:10 am

miguelnuva1 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:58 pm
Super Murjin wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:41 pm
An angel would destroy everyone with ease.

It would look like that scene from Tree of Might where Goku beats up all of Turles' men at the same time.

No chance for the mortals against an angel.
Without making Beerus and Whis stronger again Gogeta should be a threat to an Angel.
Gogeta in wich form?
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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Cold Skin » Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:39 pm

Angels are probably created as perfect from the get-go since they are the ultimate boundaries of anything in the universe, making them invincible warriors. To be able to fit their function without any second thought about their reliability, their power is likely absolute and beyond the grasp of even the "most perfect" mortal's understanding - and meant to be beyond anything and everything for all eternity if need be.

Mortals, even those who end up becoming god, will always be imperfect in comparison, even if they reach a power level one trillion times higher than Jiren's or Broly's.

Basically, if you're Whis, you can imagine that all mortals existing are small ants and you have a skin of steel and unlimited nukes. Bring a million strong mortals if you want, none of them could even scratch you and you could explode them all if it was required (although this should never happen since it's not your role).

So nobody, not even an army of Ultra Instinct warriors, would be a problem for an angel, he would just unleash a strength and speed even greater than that and beyond what can possibly be even fathomed.

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Re: Could The Entire Z-Senshi(Freeza & Broly too) Take On An Angel?

Post by Soldierofficial » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:16 am

Cold Skin wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:39 pm
Angels are probably created as perfect from the get-go since they are the ultimate boundaries of anything in the universe, making them invincible warriors. To be able to fit their function without any second thought about their reliability, their power is likely absolute and beyond the grasp of even the "most perfect" mortal's understanding - and meant to be beyond anything and everything for all eternity if need be.

Mortals, even those who end up becoming god, will always be imperfect in comparison, even if they reach a power level one trillion times higher than Jiren's or Broly's.

Basically, if you're Whis, you can imagine that all mortals existing are small ants and you have a skin of steel and unlimited nukes. Bring a million strong mortals if you want, none of them could even scratch you and you could explode them all if it was required (although this should never happen since it's not your role).

So nobody, not even an army of Ultra Instinct warriors, would be a problem for an angel, he would just unleash a strength and speed even greater than that and beyond what can possibly be even fathomed.
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