Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by Mad Swami » Fri May 29, 2020 12:49 am

Koitsukai wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:39 am
Mad Swami wrote:
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Wasn't it stated somewhere that Buu arc SSJ1 Vegito >= Early GT SSJ4 Goku?
Yeah I am pretty sure I read that. I never liked that but that's what it said I'm pretty sure
Not quite, the comparison was about their contemporary selves(it is from before SS4 Gogeta existed that's why they talk about Vegito). Meaning Goku turning into SS4 is like if he were to fuse with Vegeta with the earrings and go SS. That's a hell of boost.
Actually the article is about Vegito, "the greatest master in the world who might even surpass the power of SS4", so GT SS4 Goku rivals GT Super Vegito.
Right it was comparing a hypothetical GT Vegito

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by ankokudaishogun » Fri May 29, 2020 5:52 am

Not exactly: it was a GENERIC SS4==Vegetto comparison, not specifying if it was referring to an hypothetical GT Vegetto, Z Vegetto or Z Super Vegetto or whatever else.

IIRC Goku:GT in Base was stated being as strong as Goku:Z in SS3

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by Hugo Boss » Fri May 29, 2020 7:34 am

QuakingStar wrote:
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[...] we want more info on the form, and on its power [...]
What exactly are you looking for? Are you waiting for something that wasn’t yet revealed or something you heard of but wants confirmation?

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by QuakingStar » Fri May 29, 2020 12:21 pm

Both. I would like this thread to stay open so if anybody finds anything new they can bring it here.

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by VegettoEX » Fri May 29, 2020 12:37 pm

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Isn’t this thread getting a little repetitive?
Agreed -- you all are starting to repeat the same questions that have been addressed several times, citing the same GT-related publications that have been addressed several times, etc. I understand it may be difficult to catch up on a 15+ page thread, but please don't just jump in without at least a cursory review of what's already here.
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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by QuakingStar » Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:23 pm

So it is revealed that Super Full Power Saiyan 4 has an advancement transformation that is a limit breaking form too. Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Broken. The name needs work imo but the form looks cool af to me and apparerently is super powerful as they are filled to the brim with Ki and "crush their foes with power surpassing their limits"

https://twitter.com/lightning446/status ... 4030651393

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by p-hyvo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:16 am

QuakingStar wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:23 pm
So it is revealed that Super Full Power Saiyan 4 has an advancement transformation that is a limit breaking form too. Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Broken. The name needs work imo but the form looks cool af to me and apparerently is super powerful as they are filled to the brim with Ki and "crush their foes with power surpassing their limits"

https://twitter.com/lightning446/status ... 4030651393
It also appears to have god ki
I feel like if i Say here where do i get numerically with dbgt/dbs Power levels, someone will get a stroke.
Better to not talk about dragon ball heroes ones, i swear
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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by QuakingStar » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:23 am

Idk if it does or not, we will find out if it does once more info is revealed hopefully

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by theherodjl » Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:33 pm

While I do think it is interesting that there are a few new tidbits about SSJ4 in other media every now & then, this particular thread seems a little tedious now. Maybe a new/side thread could be done on SSJ4's role in the modern era, considering that all of the old material is covered?
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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by QuakingStar » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:43 pm

As pointed out in an old post, this thread is open to bring any new info to it. That's what I and Vegetto were commenting about.

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:43 pm

My apologies if I turn out to be wrong, but I think that there will be no way in Hell that Hakaishin Beerus, Golden Frieza, Hit, Son Goku Black, Jiren, Broly: BR, and Planet-Eater Moro would stand a chance against a Mastered Super Saiyan 4.

As a Mastered Golden Great Ape and especially a Mastered Super Saiyan 4 would be more than enough to defeat any of the villains from Dragon Ball Super, but many people underestimate the fact that Super Saiyan 3 is in fact much weaker than Golden Great Ape from Super Saiyan 3 Son Goku having hardly been able to cause any damage whatsoever to Super Baby Vegeta 2 while Golden Great Ape Son Goku had actually been able to overpower Super Baby Vegeta 2, but Golden Great Ape Son Goku wasn't in control of himself enough to have defeated Super Baby Vegeta 2. Also considering the fact that there is no form of Super Saiyan coming after Super Saiyan 3 but before Super Saiyan God, it at the very least would have been possible for an unmastered Super Saiyan God to be weaker than an unmastered Super Saiyan 4. As in order to get to Super Saiyan 4, you would need Golden Great Ape, and since an unmastered Super Saiyan 3 is much weaker than Golden Great Ape and Super Saiyan 3 doesn't have anything in-between itself and Super Saiyan God, then that would mean that an unmastered Super Saiyan 4 would have been much stronger than an unmastered Super Saiyan God. With an unmastered Super Saiyan Blue being much closer in power to Super Saiyan 4, but the basic form of Super Saiyan Blue would still be much weaker than Super Saiyan 4. As it would take a Super Saiyan Blue absorbing his or her very own aura into himself or herself in order to surpass Super Saiyan 4, but Super Saiyan 4 would have still been more than half as strong as the very exact same form of Ascended Super Saiyan Blue that Son Goku had used against Merged Zamasu in the Dragon Ball Super Manga. However, please keep in mind that if someone were to have mastered Golden Great Ape and Super Saiyan 4, then a mastered Golden Great Ape would have been much stronger than a mastered Super Saiyan 3 and an unmastered Super Saiyan God as a mastered Golden Great Ape would have rivaled the power of an unmastered Super Saiyan Blue, while a mastered Super Saiyan 4 would have been able to surpass Super Saiyan Blue: 20X Kaioken and Beyond Super Saiyan Blue as a mastered Super Saiyan 4 would have rivaled Ultra Instinct "Omen".

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by Hugo Boss » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:05 pm

Honestly that new SS4 power-up seems like a response to SSBlue Evolution. Both are advertised as limit-breaking forms. I wouldn’t be surprised if they happen to be equally matched.

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by QuakingStar » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:51 pm

They probably are. Heroes so far as SSGSS and SS4 as about equal, and they are doing the same with this too it seems.

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by ankokudaishogun » Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:37 pm

as noted in the Heroes thread, the latest trailer uses the reading "Chō" for the 超 kanji instead of the "Super" reading from the scans.

if this will indeed be correct in the cards, then the nomenclature, and the logic behind it, will be much simplified.

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by sunsetshimmer » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:44 pm

Hugo Boss wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:05 pm
Honestly that new SS4 power-up seems like a response to SSBlue Evolution. Both are advertised as limit-breaking forms. I wouldn’t be surprised if they happen to be equally matched.
Isn't regular Super Full Power Saiyan 4 already a counterpart for SSB Evolution? Increase in power seemed comparable if you ask me and it was already a limit breaker before Super. This new form is basically a limit breaker of a limit breaker which seems stupid.
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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by QuakingStar » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:17 pm

As shown in the new trailers, this new form has God Ki which is why it is different than the Super Full Power Saiyan 4. SSGSS Goku CC, SSGSS Vegeta CC, and SSG Trunks Xeno, along with Pan give all their energy to Goku Xeno and Vegeta Xeno.. to simplify it.. despite the name they are essentially using SSGSS4. IN the manga it is only Trunks giving them all of his ki while he is in SSGod. So either way this form has God Ki.

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by Grimlock » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:52 pm

This is how misinformation starts, people don't wait for the whole context, assume something based on nothing or on so little, go with it and even after the official information is revealed (that may contradict the assumption), people refuse to acknowledge it. That is why we still have to put up with people saying nonsensical stuff to this day.

May we please just wait until BBM3 is released on August 6th before making any assumption? We are literally just days away from getting the context, hold your horses.

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by QuakingStar » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:07 pm

The chapter was scanned(bad quality) and a few pages were put on the internet. Trunks is clearly using SSGod in the manga panel when giving energy. That's God Ki.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeWfxoaWsAA ... name=small

So before you go running your mouth accusing me of spreading false information, do a little research.

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:02 am

sunsetshimmer wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:44 pm
Hugo Boss wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:05 pm
Honestly that new SS4 power-up seems like a response to SSBlue Evolution. Both are advertised as limit-breaking forms. I wouldn’t be surprised if they happen to be equally matched.
Isn't regular Super Full Power Saiyan 4 already a counterpart for SSB Evolution? Increase in power seemed comparable if you ask me and it was already a limit breaker before Super. This new form is basically a limit breaker of a limit breaker which seems stupid.
What exactly is a Super Full Power Saiyan 4?

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Re: Information on Super Saiyan 4's power

Post by VegettoEX » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:45 pm

Please keep your Twitter beefs to yourselves and note that posts like this:
QuakingStar wrote:So before you go running your mouth accusing me of spreading false information, do a little research.
... are not the way to have a conversation here.

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