Koitsukai wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:19 pm
SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:35 am
Koitsukai wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:11 am
He literally followed that up with "he is just strong, plain and simple", meaning he was just using a figure of speech to comment on the greatest power he ever felt.
But he didn't say "he's the strongest
, plain and simple", what you're doing is interpreting Shin's statement but that statement alone is not conclusive evidence.
No, I'm not interpreting anything that isn't there. Shin used a common figure of speech.
That's where you're interpreting it though
While my interpretation would also be completely valid, in which Shin wasn't necessarily saying that Jiren is stronger than everyone else, just that his energy felt different as he as a fighter relies solely on brute strength (while Hit and Zamasu also had several Ki-focused techniques/hax, Jiren only relies on brute strength, so his energy and fighting style would indeed be very different compared to everyone else). Fans were also quick to notice how Jiren, unlike every other antagonist, was completely focused only on brute strength, sure he had some generic ki blasts that he threw around but 99% of his fighting style was based around brute strength.
you are assuming Jiren has some new other type of energy, one that was never talked about or shown before or after, or even implied to have, not in the anime or in the manga, or in any additional material or media including videogames.
Why would that be the case? Him saying that Jiren felt different wouldn't really introduce anything new, in fact even in the previous arc it was reminded by Whis that everyone has slightly different energies. Even Present Zamasu had a different energy/power compared to Black, even though they were the same person.
Do you have any other argument (aside from this extremely ambiguous/inconclusive statement from Shin, who also thought Fused Zamasu was way above the Gods of Destruction) to argue in favour of Jiren? Maybe how he would be able to cut Zamasu in half/destroy him using the abilities he has and without going Full Power ala ep. 130?
For example, one of the most interesting elements of this debate is how Jiren would replicate the feat of destroying Zamasu's body. Would he simply try to punch him really hard like Vegito did (although that ultimately failed to destroy him)? Since he doesn't have a sword-based technique that he can use to slice Zamasu in half.