"Changeling" Fan Term Origin?
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"Changeling" Fan Term Origin?
In a number of DBZ sites, I keep on seeing Freeza's race being named as "Changeling". I don't think the name of Freeza's race has ever been mentioned. Where does this come from?
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It's a purely-fan-given name that we are unable to track back to a single source with any real certainty.
I tried to a little while ago, but we didn't come up with much. I see it on alt.fan.dragonball as far back as 1999, though, which puts it at the same year that Planet Namek opened their site.
I tried to a little while ago, but we didn't come up with much. I see it on alt.fan.dragonball as far back as 1999, though, which puts it at the same year that Planet Namek opened their site.
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Oh, ok.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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From what I've heard, It comes from the line in the viz tankoubon where Zarbon says that both he and Freeza are "Transforming-type aliens" or something tho that effect. However, if this is where it comes from, then Zarbon and the Cold family are from the same race, which I find highly unlikely.
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Unlikely. The monthly comics never made it that far, so any Viz-translated conversations with Zarbon and Freeza (in graphic-novel-only form) would be preceded by these fan terms by two or three years based on at least that one newsgroup "Changeling" usage.IncompetentOverlord wrote:From what I've heard, It comes from the line in the viz tankoubon where Zarbon says that both he and Freeza are "Transforming-type aliens" or something tho that effect. However, if this is where it comes from, then Zarbon and the Cold family are from the same race, which I find highly unlikely.
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"Transforming-type alien" is what's said in the original; in Viz Zarbon says that he and Freeza can both transform (which means the same basic thing of course, but the original line makes it sound more like some sort of technical classifcation). I've wondered if "Changeling" is an extreme corruption of this line that would have come about in the days of fansubs and their (mis)translations, like from "Transforming-type Alien" to "Changing-type Alien" to "Changeling". At any rate, Changelings are mythological creatures, so perhaps this pre-existing term had a hand in the creation of the fan term.IncompetentOverlord wrote:From what I've heard, It comes from the line in the viz tankoubon where Zarbon says that both he and Freeza are "Transforming-type aliens" or something tho that effect.
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Purely speculating, but might an early fansubber have simply translated "transforming-type" to "changeling" for simplicity's sake, and it just got taken seriously from there?Herms wrote:"Transforming-type alien" is what's said in the original; in Viz Zarbon says that he and Freeza can both transform (which means the same basic thing of course, but the original line makes it sound more like some sort of technical classifcation). I've wondered if "Changeling" is an extreme corruption of this line that would have come about in the days of fansubs and their (mis)translations, like from "Transforming-type Alien" to "Changing-type Alien" to "Changeling". At any rate, Changelings are mythological creatures, so perhaps this pre-existing term had a hand in the creation of the fan term.IncompetentOverlord wrote:From what I've heard, It comes from the line in the viz tankoubon where Zarbon says that both he and Freeza are "Transforming-type aliens" or something tho that effect.
... Then again, if there were actual fansubs that used "changeling" that could be dated, that'd be evidence, wouldn't it? Alas...
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Yeah, I remember seeing it in magazines dating back to early in the decade.
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