Why is the "FRIEZA" spelling wrong?

[linkdude20002001]

Well there's a difference between the two. Blooma is pronounced differently than Bulma. Gojilla, on the other hand, is pronunced the same as Godzilla (if you're pronouncing Godzilla correctly, that is). Whether it's romanized as ji or dzi, it's still SUPPOSED to be pronounced ji.

[Amigo Ten]

Maybe so, but they're both changes that aren't worth bothering with as far as I'm concerned.

[Silver Sinspawn]

Has it been confirmed of what spelling they'll use in the Kai dub?

[Bussani]

I would. Screw all that. It's like when Godzilla fans say "desutoroya" or however it's spelled exactly. Gets right up my nose.

Wow. Where'd you get THAT spelling? It's Gojilla by the way. The ji was just romanized as dzi. It's a very stupid type of romanization.

I think (though am less certain due to his following replies) that he was talking about how fans say DESTOROYAH!!, rather than Godzilla himself.

But, come on...it's fun to say.

DESTOROYAH!!

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

That's an entirely separate conversation. Do you really want to have that again? Because it's been done. Before. Multiple times. And I have to imagine you were a part of it. Because it's the kind of thing you seem to revel in.

We are not a FUNimation fan forum. This forum is an extension of this website, which covers FUNimation if and only when (for the most part) it affects the original Japanese version of the franchise -- because that is what we are about. We gear all of our discussions, interests, and education around that sole version. When certain name spellings interfere with that goal, or because they frighten us with their over-use and showcase of just how insignificant we are to the rest of you FUNimation dub fans, we run into our corner with our hands over our ears and force you to do things the way we want to do them.

Also, it's ludicrous, community members have supported the filters and recommended additional ones, and it's a great way to start heading everyone toward a style guide for the wiki.

Do you want to continue that discussion in a new thread (...again...), or would you rather stay on-topic? We really have absolutely nothing more to say about it.

Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't know that you were going to get so over-sensitive about it. You're an admin on this forum and if you want to censor a dub name, you well and truly can. I'm not going to get my underwear in a twist about it like some other people.


And I don't think it was that off-topic. I mean, I was still taking about the spelling

For the record, I'm happy to filter "Chorrudot" if you'd like.

Again, it's your decision.

Wow. Where'd you get THAT spelling? It's Gojilla by the way. The ji was just romanized as dzi. It's a very stupid type of romanization.

It's not a stupid romanization, just an uncommon one. Romanizing "ji" as "zi" is part of the Kunrei-shiki system.


That's why you'll sometimes see "Bezita" on Japanese sites. (I know I have)

Has it been confirmed of what spelling they'll use in the Kai dub?

FUNimation confirmed that they were again using "Frieza" when announcing the cast for Dragon Ball Z Kai.

[Metalwario64]

I would. Screw all that. It's like when Godzilla fans say "desutoroya" or however it's spelled exactly. Gets right up my nose.

Wow. Where'd you get THAT spelling? It's Gojilla by the way. The ji was just romanized as dzi. It's a very stupid type of romanization.

Desutoroia is a romanization of デストロイア(Destroyer). Don't know what's so shocking about that (although, I definitely don't like it, since it is an English word spoken in Japanese, and then romanized back into English). It's like Pikkoro, or Torankusu. Even the Angry Video Game Nerd uses the romanization of his name when he refers to him, and it's especially awkward when he uses that and the less direct "Godzilla" (as opposed to Gojira) in the same sentence.

[Olivier Hague]

デストロイア(Destroyer)

Destroyer is generally spelled as "デストロイヤー", actually.

[Dayspring]

When one of those words don't work in the English language, be it because of English phonetics or any other reason, it shouldn't be considered a valid translation.

We're talking about names, here. My name doesn't follow English phonetics, for example. And it doesn't need to be "translated", as it's, well, a name.

No changes are made because you're starting off in alphabet to begin with. When converting from another alphabet that results in multiple English spellings, you go with one of the ones that works in English. You're not going to make an exception just because you created the potential for one.

[Olivier Hague]

When converting from another alphabet that results in multiple English spellings, you go with one of the ones that works in English.

'Don't see why I should prioritize English, really.

[Amigo Ten]

Well if it was an English word to being with, you might as well.

[Olivier Hague]

Well if it was an English word to being with, you might as well.

So, once again, the pun rules all? ^^;
If the name is based on an English word, it should follow English phonetics? And if it doesn't, it means the alphabet spelling is wrong?

[Amigo Ten]

Well, I'm not sure what word we're even talking about now, but personally, I'd prefer it if the same level of understanding could be conveyed in both languages. If it's recognisable as a pun on a certain thing in Japanese, I'd like to be recognisable in English too, if it's feasible. It's just not practical, for example, to try and give Nappa an equivalent English name. He'd end up called Leafy or something.

[Gaffer Tape]

Well if it was an English word to being with, you might as well.

So, once again, the pun rules all? ^^;
If the name is based on an English word, it should follow English phonetics? And if it doesn't, it means the alphabet spelling is wrong?

Generally, for me, the pronounciation rules all, with the pun a close second. That's why I say Mr. Sah-tan and Gurudo, and that's why I think Tullece is such an awesome translation as it manages to preserve the pronounciation and exhibit the pun.

And as far as I'm concerned, the only official spellings are the original kana and kanji. Everything else is debatable to a certain degree.

[Dayspring]

When converting from another alphabet that results in multiple English spellings, you go with one of the ones that works in English.

'Don't see why I should prioritize English, really.

Priority goes to the ones that prioritize both. ''F-R-I-E'' does neither, so it shouldn't be counted.

[Olivier Hague]

personally, I'd prefer it if the same level of understanding could be conveyed in both languages. If it's recognisable as a pun on a certain thing in Japanese, I'd like to be recognisable in English too, if it's feasible. It's just not practical, for example, to try and give Nappa an equivalent English name. He'd end up called Leafy or something.

Same thing for the main character, actually: his name means something to Japanese readers, so should it be "translated"/"localized" to evoke something to English-speaking readers? Definitely not practical. ^^;

When converting from another alphabet that results in multiple English spellings, you go with one of the ones that works in English.

'Don't see why I should prioritize English, really.

Priority goes to the ones that prioritize both. ''F-R-I-E'' does neither, so it shouldn't be counted.

Er... What? ^^;

[Dayspring]

Er... What? ^^;

The argument made by some others is that Freeza spelled with an I-E is what should be one of, if not the only, "English Version" of the Japanese name. Only ones that work in English should be considered the English versions.

[Amigo Ten]

personally, I'd prefer it if the same level of understanding could be conveyed in both languages. If it's recognisable as a pun on a certain thing in Japanese, I'd like to be recognisable in English too, if it's feasible. It's just not practical, for example, to try and give Nappa an equivalent English name. He'd end up called Leafy or something.

Same thing for the main character, actually: his name means something to Japanese readers, so should it be "translated"/"localized" to evoke something to English-speaking readers? Definitely not practical. ^^;

And it's not something I ever suggested. I was talking about the names that are puns, or more specifically, names that are puns on English words. That's why I mentioned Nappa. It's a name that isn't based on an English word, so making one up for him that is based on an equivalent English word is something I wouldn't do.

Even so, there's some names that become almost totally removed from the English word because of how the Japanese language appropriates English words.

Like Reacoom for example. You start with the English word cream, which is then appropriated into Japanese, becoming クリーム/kuriimu. Then Toriyama makes a name out of by changing it to リクーム/Rikuumu. And finally the series is translated and you now have to figure out what to call him in English. And I would take Viz's Reacoom over Funi's Recoome any day, because it's more recognisable as a pun on cream, even if it's still not that obvious due the lengthy process of translation and change.

This is the same reason I prefer Jheese to Jeice, Gurd to Guldo, etc.

[Puto]

Hmm, I believe you mean "Son of a Tsufru-jin" or "Son of a Tsufruian." I think we can all agree that Tuffle is just plain wrong. :wink:

"Tsufuru"
"Tsu" can be rendered as "Tu" (and in fact is rendered as such in nihon-shiki, afaik)
"Fu" - Drop the u
"Ru" can be rendered as L.
To stress the pronounciation, double the f and add an e at the end.
There, you have "Tuffle".

[Olivier Hague]

Same thing for the main character, actually: his name means something to Japanese readers, so should it be "translated"/"localized" to evoke something to English-speaking readers? Definitely not practical. ^^;

And it's not something I ever suggested.

I know, I'm just throwing that out there, since we're talking about localizing names...

[Gaffer Tape]

Hmm, I believe you mean "Son of a Tsufru-jin" or "Son of a Tsufruian." I think we can all agree that Tuffle is just plain wrong.

"Tsufuru"
"Tsu" can be rendered as "Tu" (and in fact is rendered as such in nihon-shiki, afaik)
"Fu" - Drop the u
"Ru" can be rendered as L.
To stress the pronounciation, double the f and add an e at the end.
There, you have "Tuffle".

Wow.... That's... quite the rationalization. Quite.