Freeza knowing of someone more powerful than him?

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Freeza knowing of someone more powerful than him?

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:30 am

Freeza conquered planets so he could sell them for profit, but why would he need money? He's the strongest being in the universe. If he wanted something he could just take it.
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Re: Freeza knowing of someone more powerfull then him?

Post by Savage68 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:01 am

ringworm128 wrote:hes the strongest being in the universe. if he wanted something he could just take it.
That's exactly what he did. Either way, I don't see how it had anything to do with Freeza knowing of someone that potentially surpassed him in strength. Because as far as the story is concerned, no one besides Buu existed that was stronger than him (before Super Saiyan became a staple). Freeza seemed pretty sure that he was the strongest person in the universe, and that was never contradicted.

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Re: Freeza knowing of someone more powerfull then him?

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:09 am

Savage68 wrote:
ringworm128 wrote:hes the strongest being in the universe. if he wanted something he could just take it.
That's exactly what he did. Either way, I don't see how it had anything to do with Freeza knowing of someone that potentially surpassed him in strength. Because as far as the story is concerned, no one besides Buu existed that was stronger than him (before Super Saiyan became a staple). Freeza seemed pretty sure that he was the strongest person in the universe, and that was never contradicted.
But why would he sell them for money, unless he has a green paper fetish?
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Post by Kaboom » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:32 am

What does Freeza selling planets have to do with anyone being stronger than him? I fail to see the connection.
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Re: Freeza knowing of someone more powerfull then him?

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:46 am

Kaboom wrote:What does Freeza selling planets have to do with anyone being stronger than him? I fail to see the connection.
He sells planets for profit, but the only need he could possibly have for money is to buy things, but Freeza could just take things, so why dose he need money? The only explanation is that he knew of beings that were stronger then him, so he could just pay them with money to go away.
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Post by LeprikanGT » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:49 am

Savage68 wrote:
ringworm128 wrote:hes the strongest being in the universe. if he wanted something he could just take it.
That's exactly what he did. Either way, I don't see how it had anything to do with Freeza knowing of someone that potentially surpassed him in strength. Because as far as the story is concerned, no one besides Buu existed that was stronger than him (before Super Saiyan became a staple). Freeza seemed pretty sure that he was the strongest person in the universe, and that was never contradicted.
Cell is stronger than Frieza and was made before Gero knew about the Super Saiyan ability, right?

Frieza HAD to know someone would be stronger at one point:

1. That's why he wanted the Saiyans dead.
2. That level of cockiness is always the villain's downfall.

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Post by Savage68 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:01 am

LeprikanGT wrote:Cell is stronger than Freeza and was made before Gero knew about the Super Saiyan ability right?
Right. But Cell was just a speck of organic material at the time of Goku turning SSJ.
LeprikanGT wrote:Freeza HAD to know someone would be stronger at one point. 1. thats why he wanted the saiyans dead.
His fear was the Saiyans' collective power, and the rate at which it grew. He was never implied to be fearful of any single person.

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Post by Rocketman » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:20 am

Freeza seems to enjoy playing by 'the rules' for the most part. He prefers making deals, having subordinates, etc. Obviously, if anything at all goes against him he drops that like a hot potato and just blows stuff up, but for the most part everything's a game to him. And like a game, one could just cheat/exploit and win easily, but where's the fun in that?

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Re: Freeza knowing of someone more powerfull then him?

Post by Bussani » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:41 am

ringworm128 wrote:
Kaboom wrote:What does Freeza selling planets have to do with anyone being stronger than him? I fail to see the connection.
He sells planets for profit. But the only need he could possibly have for money is to buy things but Freeza could just take things. so why dose he need money? The only explanation is that he new of beings that were stronger then him. So he could just pay them with money to go away.
Using your own logic, why would these stronger beings go away for money? They'd be strong enough to take whatever they wanted.
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Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:47 am

Bussani wrote:
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Kaboom wrote:What does Freeza selling planets have to do with anyone being stronger than him? I fail to see the connection.
He sells planets for profit. But the only need he could possibly have for money is to buy things but Freeza could just take things. so why dose he need money? The only explanation is that he new of beings that were stronger then him. So he could just pay them with money to go away.
Using your own logic, why would these stronger beings go away for money? They'd be strong enough to take whatever they wanted.
Didn't think of that. :lol:
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Savage68 wrote:
ringworm128 wrote:hes the strongest being in the universe. if he wanted something he could just take it.
That's exactly what he did. Either way, I don't see how it had anything to do with Freeza knowing of someone that potentially surpassed him in strength. Because as far as the story is concerned, no one besides Buu existed that was stronger than him (before Super Saiyan became a staple). Freeza seemed pretty sure that he was the strongest person in the universe, and that was never contradicted.
His father King Cold, was stronger than him. He must've known that.

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Post by Bussani » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:57 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:His father King Cold, was stronger than him.
What evidence is there of that?
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Post by Kid Buu » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:00 am

What about Dabura, does he count?
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Post by Savage68 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:01 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:His father King Cold, was stronger than him. He must've known that.
King Cold...stronger than Freeza? :| :lol:

Everything canonical points in the opposite direction.
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Post by Godo » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:04 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Savage68 wrote:
ringworm128 wrote:hes the strongest being in the universe. if he wanted something he could just take it.
That's exactly what he did. Either way, I don't see how it had anything to do with Freeza knowing of someone that potentially surpassed him in strength. Because as far as the story is concerned, no one besides Buu existed that was stronger than him (before Super Saiyan became a staple). Freeza seemed pretty sure that he was the strongest person in the universe, and that was never contradicted.
His father King Cold, was stronger than him. He must've known that.
No he wasn't. When Freeza was killed, he wanted to hire Trunks as his son so that the strongest force would stay within his family.
SSJ Trunks > Mecha Freeza > King Cold

They never mention that King Cold's power is greater though. It's just that he probably can't transform more, so he can't access his full power.

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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:05 am

Savage68 wrote: King Cold...stronger than Freeza? :| :lol:

Everything canonical points in the opposite direction.
Really? I just thought since he's Freeza's father, he must be stronger than his son.

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Post by Kid Buu » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:06 am

I think King Cold is stated to be stronger in the dub, but even then that's just the dub.
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Re: Freeza knowing of someone more powerfull then him?

Post by Savage68 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:10 am

King Cold is pretty much implied to be stronger in the anime, no matter which version it is. Even in DBK, certain lines are left in that makes Cold seem like hot stuff compared to Freeza. But the general point is that it's irrelevant.

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Post by hleV » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:32 am

ringworm128 wrote:But why would he sell them for money? unless he has a green paper fetish?
Conquering and selling planets is a cool thing to do. That's why. You feel more powerful in that kind of business.

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Post by Dayspring » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:03 am

Godo wrote: No he wasn't. When Freeza was killed, he wanted to hire Trunks as his son so that the strongest force would stay within his family.
SSJ Trunks > Mecha Freeza > King Cold

They never mention that King Cold's power is greater though. It's just that he probably can't transform more, so he can't access his full power.
In all fairness, SSJ Trunks dwarfing both of them doesn't proove Mecha Freeza is stronger than Cold. It's the Daizenshuu bios that claim Freeza is stronger, IIRC, not the story. All the story gets us is a confirmation that one Ki is greater than the other, that Mecha Freeza's not at full strength, and that full-strength Mecha Freeza is stronger than full-strength Namek Freeza.

There's also nothing hinting that Cold can't transform.
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