Future #17 and... pills?

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Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Dio Brando » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:29 am

I rewatched the Trunks' Story TV Special today (big holiday here), and a plot point emerged from a single phrase #17 has said.

In Gohan's final battle, after he throws #17 through the building, #17 says as he gets up:
"You were lucky. Anyway, we only have a few pills left. You know, our bodies are just as weak as yours."

Does he really say that? I understand japanese to some degree, but I don't know different words for the same things (like, "pill" or "capsule"). Anyway, that line might help explain why the Future Artificial Humans are weaker than the infinite energy ones? It's explicitly said by Trunks that either he or Gohan could fight either #17 or #18 alone, but not both of them at once. Maybe in Trunks' future they don't really have infinite energy (although Trunks says this when Vegeta is fighting #18, this line may contradict his statement) and must resort to these "pills"?

Please bear with me here, this may be a translation error and I'm asking a useless thing. I'm watching the Brazilian dub, by the way - but this line also appeared on a Brazilian sub. I'm asking here because I've searched this on a lot of places already, and found no mention of this. Not even on the DBZ Wikia, which takes a lot of liberties with the storytelling.

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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:42 am

He's talking about his clothes.
" I like these clothes. When they get ragged, it annoys me. They're not as sturdy as our bodies, you understand. I've only got four more set's like this"
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by hleV » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:01 am

It seems that the Artificial Humans can't save their clothes as efficiently as other fighters using ki.

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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Herms » Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:27 am

hleV wrote:It seems that the Artificial Humans can't save their clothes as efficiently as other fighters using ki.
I don't know, Goku sure seems to tear through those uniforms of his (sometimes literally so).
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Bura » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:15 am

Herms wrote:
hleV wrote:It seems that the Artificial Humans can't save their clothes as efficiently as other fighters using ki.
I don't know, Goku sure seems to tear through those uniforms of his (sometimes literally so).
It's the best thing about DragonBall!!

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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:11 pm

This makes me wonder where their "home" is. In that special, they said "Let's go home" a few times, I believe. I can't picture them destroying cities then going home to sleep.
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by rereboy » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:22 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:This makes me wonder where their "home" is. In that special, they said "Let's go home" a few times, I believe. I can't picture them destroying cities then going home to sleep.
Why not? Buu did.

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Post by Fin » Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:34 pm

Herms wrote:
hleV wrote:It seems that the Artificial Humans can't save their clothes as efficiently as other fighters using ki.
I don't know, Goku sure seems to tear through those uniforms of his (sometimes literally so).
Which is why I'd love to see him fight James T Kirk.

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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Herms » Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:41 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:In that special, they said "Let's go home" a few times, I believe.
Pretty sure that's just another weird dub thing.
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Savage68 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:47 pm

#18 said something about going "home" once in the original version of the special. After blasting Gohan's arm off.
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by ShadowDude112 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:47 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:This makes me wonder where their "home" is. In that special, they said "Let's go home" a few times, I believe. I can't picture them destroying cities then going home to sleep.
I'm gonna say what other people say and that it was probably a dub error. Do they really have to sleep since they have unlimited energy? No, I don't think they do.
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Savage68 » Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:55 pm

Actually, re-watching it, #18 just says 'kaero' to #17.

The sub says "Let's go home," though.

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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:15 am

If Goku had taken his shirt off, he could have beaten Cell.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:27 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:If Goku had taken his shirt off, he could have beaten Cell.
Gohan proved that much. It wasn't the anger, it wasn't the transformation, and it wasn't the power. No one can win against a chiseled male physique, regardless of age.
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Ahiru77 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:22 am

Bura wrote:
Herms wrote:
hleV wrote:It seems that the Artificial Humans can't save their clothes as efficiently as other fighters using ki.
I don't know, Goku sure seems to tear through those uniforms of his (sometimes literally so).
It's the best thing about DragonBall!!

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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Dio Brando » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:35 pm

So it was a translation error. Thanks for the answers. Although that still leaves the question of why exactly are they weaker than their past counterparts.

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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Kaboom » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:38 pm

Dio Brando wrote:Although that still leaves the question of why exactly are they weaker than their past counterparts.
Trunks is the only one who thought so, and they had a tendency to toy with him just like they did for Gohan. So I guess it's up to whether or not you want to take his word for it. :wink:
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Dio Brando » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:48 pm

Forgot about the "50% power" part in the manga. Maybe that's the case.

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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by Kaboom » Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:14 pm

Dio Brando wrote:Forgot about the "50% power" part in the manga. Maybe that's the case.
That's the best way I can figure it.

- Gohan grows up fighting the Androids. He thinks he has a good grasp on how powerful they are.
- In reality, they were toying with him the whole time for their own amusement.
- 17: "Nope, I was using less than half-power, sorry! LOL you are dead now."
- Gohan: "Crap, I am dead now."
- Trunks grows up fighting the Androids. He thinks he has a good grasp on how powerful they are.
- In reality, they were toying with him the whole time for their own amusement.
- Trunks goes to the past, gets his ass OHKO'd by the "prime" Androids who have an actual mission and don't screw around.
- Trunks: "What?! Why are they so much stronger?!"
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?

Post by jackjack » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:21 pm

Dio Brando wrote:Although that still leaves the question of why exactly are they weaker than their past counterparts.
I don't know how to explain, either, but I do think the future ones are weaker.

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