Future #17 and... pills?
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Future #17 and... pills?
I rewatched the Trunks' Story TV Special today (big holiday here), and a plot point emerged from a single phrase #17 has said.
In Gohan's final battle, after he throws #17 through the building, #17 says as he gets up:
"You were lucky. Anyway, we only have a few pills left. You know, our bodies are just as weak as yours."
Does he really say that? I understand japanese to some degree, but I don't know different words for the same things (like, "pill" or "capsule"). Anyway, that line might help explain why the Future Artificial Humans are weaker than the infinite energy ones? It's explicitly said by Trunks that either he or Gohan could fight either #17 or #18 alone, but not both of them at once. Maybe in Trunks' future they don't really have infinite energy (although Trunks says this when Vegeta is fighting #18, this line may contradict his statement) and must resort to these "pills"?
Please bear with me here, this may be a translation error and I'm asking a useless thing. I'm watching the Brazilian dub, by the way - but this line also appeared on a Brazilian sub. I'm asking here because I've searched this on a lot of places already, and found no mention of this. Not even on the DBZ Wikia, which takes a lot of liberties with the storytelling.
In Gohan's final battle, after he throws #17 through the building, #17 says as he gets up:
"You were lucky. Anyway, we only have a few pills left. You know, our bodies are just as weak as yours."
Does he really say that? I understand japanese to some degree, but I don't know different words for the same things (like, "pill" or "capsule"). Anyway, that line might help explain why the Future Artificial Humans are weaker than the infinite energy ones? It's explicitly said by Trunks that either he or Gohan could fight either #17 or #18 alone, but not both of them at once. Maybe in Trunks' future they don't really have infinite energy (although Trunks says this when Vegeta is fighting #18, this line may contradict his statement) and must resort to these "pills"?
Please bear with me here, this may be a translation error and I'm asking a useless thing. I'm watching the Brazilian dub, by the way - but this line also appeared on a Brazilian sub. I'm asking here because I've searched this on a lot of places already, and found no mention of this. Not even on the DBZ Wikia, which takes a lot of liberties with the storytelling.
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He's talking about his clothes.
" I like these clothes. When they get ragged, it annoys me. They're not as sturdy as our bodies, you understand. I've only got four more set's like this"
" I like these clothes. When they get ragged, it annoys me. They're not as sturdy as our bodies, you understand. I've only got four more set's like this"
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It seems that the Artificial Humans can't save their clothes as efficiently as other fighters using ki.
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I don't know, Goku sure seems to tear through those uniforms of his (sometimes literally so).hleV wrote:It seems that the Artificial Humans can't save their clothes as efficiently as other fighters using ki.
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It's the best thing about DragonBall!!Herms wrote:I don't know, Goku sure seems to tear through those uniforms of his (sometimes literally so).hleV wrote:It seems that the Artificial Humans can't save their clothes as efficiently as other fighters using ki.
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This makes me wonder where their "home" is. In that special, they said "Let's go home" a few times, I believe. I can't picture them destroying cities then going home to sleep.
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Why not? Buu did.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:This makes me wonder where their "home" is. In that special, they said "Let's go home" a few times, I believe. I can't picture them destroying cities then going home to sleep.
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Which is why I'd love to see him fight James T Kirk.Herms wrote:I don't know, Goku sure seems to tear through those uniforms of his (sometimes literally so).hleV wrote:It seems that the Artificial Humans can't save their clothes as efficiently as other fighters using ki.
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Pretty sure that's just another weird dub thing.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:In that special, they said "Let's go home" a few times, I believe.
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#18 said something about going "home" once in the original version of the special. After blasting Gohan's arm off.
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I'm gonna say what other people say and that it was probably a dub error. Do they really have to sleep since they have unlimited energy? No, I don't think they do.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:This makes me wonder where their "home" is. In that special, they said "Let's go home" a few times, I believe. I can't picture them destroying cities then going home to sleep.
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Actually, re-watching it, #18 just says 'kaero' to #17.
The sub says "Let's go home," though.
The sub says "Let's go home," though.
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If Goku had taken his shirt off, he could have beaten Cell.
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Gohan proved that much. It wasn't the anger, it wasn't the transformation, and it wasn't the power. No one can win against a chiseled male physique, regardless of age.Kingdom Heartless wrote:If Goku had taken his shirt off, he could have beaten Cell.
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No!! You stay here and share with the group. *drags Bura back* >:DBura wrote:It's the best thing about DragonBall!!Herms wrote:I don't know, Goku sure seems to tear through those uniforms of his (sometimes literally so).hleV wrote:It seems that the Artificial Humans can't save their clothes as efficiently as other fighters using ki.
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?
So it was a translation error. Thanks for the answers. Although that still leaves the question of why exactly are they weaker than their past counterparts.
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Trunks is the only one who thought so, and they had a tendency to toy with him just like they did for Gohan. So I guess it's up to whether or not you want to take his word for it.Dio Brando wrote:Although that still leaves the question of why exactly are they weaker than their past counterparts.
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?
Forgot about the "50% power" part in the manga. Maybe that's the case.
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That's the best way I can figure it.Dio Brando wrote:Forgot about the "50% power" part in the manga. Maybe that's the case.
- Gohan grows up fighting the Androids. He thinks he has a good grasp on how powerful they are.
- In reality, they were toying with him the whole time for their own amusement.
- 17: "Nope, I was using less than half-power, sorry! LOL you are dead now."
- Gohan: "Crap, I am dead now."
- Trunks grows up fighting the Androids. He thinks he has a good grasp on how powerful they are.
- In reality, they were toying with him the whole time for their own amusement.
- Trunks goes to the past, gets his ass OHKO'd by the "prime" Androids who have an actual mission and don't screw around.
- Trunks: "What?! Why are they so much stronger?!"
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Re: Future #17 and... pills?
I don't know how to explain, either, but I do think the future ones are weaker.Dio Brando wrote:Although that still leaves the question of why exactly are they weaker than their past counterparts.