Does Mister Boo really get weaker?

[Fox666]

I know the narrator explicitly says this:

Narrator: "The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning... This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"

But I was wondering, since the evil part after absorbing the good one greatly increased in power (compared to the fat Majin Boo), isn't it possible that the good part is identical in power to the fat Majin Boo from before, and there is another meaning in "the majority of the power went to the evil one" than the original power actually splitting between the parts?

Of course this could be a reverse effect of what the Dai Kaioshin did to the original Pure Majin Boo, causing him to get stronger for being more evil, but then shouldn't he be getting weaker after absorbing the good part, and actually the part of pure evil being the strongest? (do I confuse you?)

Despite that, when Vegeta took the good part from inside the Evil Boo, he didn't returned to be the wacky Majin Boo of pure evil from before, he became the first Majin Boo of all before absorbing the Kaioshin. So taking the good part from inside the evil one also removed something else from him (at the beginning the wacky Boo also had the closed of the Dai Kaioshin, so he wasn't without any absorption inside him). Of course this part is very confusing.

[lash]

Did*


Yes he got weaker.

Personally I say no need to make an overly complicated concept like Majin Boo any more complicated.

4 - 3 = 1
Fatso - Pure Evil Boo = Weaker fatso(Mister Boo)

[petewentz]

I didn't quite understand the original post, so forgive my ignorance in this reply, but I simply assume that Good Buu=Dai Kai influence and Evil Buu=South Kai influence, which would explain his dominance over Good Buu, blah blah. It was said that he expelled all the evil from himself, and the Dai Kai is definitely stated to be benevolent. Of course, one would assume that the South Kai would be as well...so that interpretation is a little up in the air, but it's a sound theory IMO.

When Evil Buu absorbs Good Buu, he gets his power(what little he had) and some of the Dai Kai influence, but now instead of the DK influence being stronger, the South Kai's is.

Does that make sense? Sorry

And as for that post Lash, it doesn't explain how 1+3 should = 4, but it doesn't, it equals more than 5 at least. I think mine is a sound explanation.

[lash]

Ok

Another try(notice that it's now complicated):

4(hiding a +3) - 3 = 1(hiding a +3)
Fatso - Pure Evil Boo = Mister Boo(hiding South kaioshin's power along with Dai kaioshin's influence)


1(hiding +3) + 3(surfaces everything hidden) = 1+3+3 = 7

Mister Boo + Evil Boo = Super Boo

[petewentz]

Ok

Another try(notice that it's now complicated):

4(hiding a +3) - 3 = 1(hiding a +3)
Fatso - Pure Evil Boo = Mister Boo(hiding South kaioshin's power along with Dai kaioshin's influence)


1(hiding +3) + 3(surfaces everything hidden) = 1+3+3 = 7

Mister Boo + Evil Boo = Super Boo

Yea, good job on giving math to what I said. Same principles applies, silly head.

[lash]

What principles?

And as for that post Lash, it doesn't explain how 1+3 should = 4, but it doesn't, it equals more than 5 at least. I think mine is a sound explanation.

Not really sure what you meant by this either.

[petewentz]

What principles?

Well, what I stated in my original post in the thread, which I'll restate for you cause I love you :3


"When Evil Buu absorbs Good Buu, he gets his power(what little he had) and some of the Dai Kai influence, but now instead of the DK influence being stronger, the South Kai's is."

Basically, how you can't account for Super Buu being stronger than Fat Buu by going through simple subtraction and addition, there has to be something else, which I believe to be the Kai influence!

Not really sure what you meant by this either.

Actually, you were because you responded to it in the exact way it should have been

[Pantalones]

I never really saw Fat Buu (after expelling Evil Buu) as being any weaker than the original Fat Buu.

They might have lengthened the fight in the anime, but from what I remember of the manga (and it has been a while since I read through, so I might be a little off) there really wasn't anything in their brief fight that suggested the fat Buu was actually weaker than the skinny one--the Fat Buu tried to use the turn-you-into-food beam, which would have worked on pretty much anyone regardless of power if it had actually hit, and got it reflected back onto him. If that hadn't happened, the fight probably could've gone on forever without either side coming out on top.
Yeah, the narrator might have said that the evil Buu got most of Buu's power, but... this is the same narrator who goes on about Kid Buu being the most powerful form of Buu, even though the same SSj3 Goku who knew he didn't have a chance against Super Buu earlier was able to fight Kid Buu pretty evenly until he used too much power and ran out of SSj3. I'd rather go by what actually happens instead of just believing every word the narrator says.

I'm not really sure why everyone seems so convinced that Good Buu is weaker than Fat Buu to begin with. I know there's the Kami and Piccolo split, which sounds like a similar situation (with Kami's evilness being expelled and then becoming a separate being), and that did result in both halves being weaker than the original, but... I don't see why it has to work the same way for Buu as it did for Kami. The reasons why it happened are different. Kami was just a regular Namek before the split, and he did it intentionally so that he wouldn't have any evil inside him when going in for his job interview with the previous Kami. Buu, on the other hand, is literally made of magic and probably had no idea that he could spawn different Buus when his negative emotions overwhelmed him (he did seem to realize that something bad was going to happen before spitting out the evil Buu, but that was about it.) I doubt Buu really follows the same rules as relatively normal aliens like the Nameks. The whole point of Buu is that he doesn't follow the same rules as every other villain in the series: nearly any attack can leave dents and holes in his body, but that's not because he's weak, it's because he doesn't give a crap--getting holes in him doesn't even hurt him and he'll just regenerate it in a second anyway. If you disintegrate every cell in his body, he just comes back from the wisps of Buu-smoke left over. Even if you're stronger than him, you still can't beat him with just regular old brute-force attacks, because his stamina is so absurdly high that you'll run out of power long before he does. And unlike nearly any other technique in the series, Buu's magic seems to work independently of how strong his opponent is... the best you can do is reflect it back on him or hope you'll still able to move around and fight as a piece of candy.

Also, if you're counting Dragonball Online's story, he apparently creates his "wife" the same way, except it was triggered by "I want to do this stuff that's in these porno magazines I found" feelings rather than the "I really wanna kill those guys, even though I know killing is bad" feelings that made Evil Buu. Which means that technically Vegeta was right--there is a chance that Good Buu can spawn more Buus. Heck, Buu even says near the end of the series that he'll try to avoid doing bad things and keep his temper under control... which means that the "Good/Evil Buu" split isn't just a 50-50, pure good vs. pure evil split like Kami and Piccolo's. If he had already permanently released all of the evil that could ever exist in him, there'd be no need for him to keep under control to avoid spawning another Evil Buu, because there wouldn't be any evil left to make another one.
The way I think it works is, when Buu spawns another Buu, it's not every bit of that emotion in his being that gets thrown out (like with Kami/Piccolo's split, which seemed to literally split Kami's soul into its good and evil halves, leaving absolutely no evil in Kami and absolutely no good in Demon King Piccolo.) It's also not a physical "split" like, say, Tenshinhan's body-splitting technique, because none of Buu's original body actually leaves him. Instead, whatever amount of the emotion he's feeling at that moment when he goes nuts (whether that's "urge to kill", "I'm really horny," or whatever) gets projected out from Buu to keep him from going nuts, and then that big mass of emotions gets brought to life in the form of another Buu thanks to his magical-ness. Because Buu isn't actually losing any of his body or soul in the process, this doesn't make him any weaker, at least not permanently; it also doesn't make him incapable of having that emotion anymore (hence why Buu at the end of the series wanted to make sure he kept his temper under control--to avoid spawning another Evil Buu, because the potential to go into a blind kill-everything rage is still there if he's not careful--and why he was able to go on and make an entire species' worth of kids after creating his "wife" in DBO--because the potential for horniness is also still there, despite his super-horniness at that moment being used to spawn a female Buu-thing.) It might make him weaker temporarily, like how most characters are temporarily weakened after using a super-powerful attack that uses up massive amounts of energy, but once he has time to recover that energy he's back to normal again. This could also be part of the reason why Fat Buu lost to Skinny Buu--they're equal in power, but Fatty is still a little worn out from spawning Skinny.

Also, Buu not getting weaker makes Super Buu's huge power-up a lot easier to explain. If both Good Buu and Evil Buu are about as strong as the original Fat Buu, then of course a combined form of the two is going to be even stronger. If the Good/Evil Buus are both significantly weaker than the original Fat Buu, then you need to go into a lot of weird complicated stuff about how much each of the Kaioshins are influencing each form (if at all), whether or not the amount of "evilness" affects Buu's power, what the "multiplier" of their absorption is (because people love to assume you can put specific numbers to everything, even though you really can't by this point in the series), and so on... and the whole thing starts making a lot less sense. I'd rather just go with the Good and Evil Buus both being about the same power-wise, with both being close (if not equal) to the original Fat Buu.

[Herms]

Yeah, the narrator might have said that the evil Buu got most of Buu's power, but... this is the same narrator who goes on about Kid Buu being the most powerful form of Buu

No, that's the anime narrator who says that about kid Boo. Those lines aren't in the manga like the one about the evil one getting most of the power is.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Did*


Yes he got weaker.

Personally I say no need to make an overly complicated concept like Majin Boo any more complicated.

4 - 3 = 1
Fatso - Pure Evil Boo = Weaker fatso(Mister Boo)

I agree. I mean, it's stated numerous times that the son of Katatz became weaker after the split, that if they had been one, they may not have been killed by the Saiyans, and if they were one, they could defeat Freeza. So why must we complicate things by saying Boo was somehow as strong as the original Fat Boo? I know it's magic and all that, but why must me invent more screw-ups? There are no plotholes, no contradictions, so just leave it as-is.

[Vernichter]

I'm pretty sure there was a line by Piccolo during the Buu-on-Buu violence that said something along the lines of "most of the power went to the bad one".

[Herms]

I'm pretty sure there was a line by Piccolo during the Buu-on-Buu violence that said something along the lines of "most of the power went to the bad one".

Yeah, in the manga the narrator says that line, but in the anime it's given to Piccolo for whatever reason.

[Kroni_Hunter]

I'm going to try to make sense out of this whole thing, but I apologize in advance if it ends up making no sense.

Kid Buu (Upon creation) Level 6
(Who than absorbs South Kaio)

Buff Buu Level 7
(Who then absorbs Dai Kaio)

Fat Buu Level 7 (-3 handicap or Level 4)
(This part is weird, Buu is still naturally at a Level 6, gets a +1 point for South Kaio, but then has a -3 handicap because of Dai Kaio. This really makes him a Level 4. He then splits into his good and evil forms, now stay with me here. They both naturally would be Level 3, but Mr. Buu gets the Kai points, meaning +1 for South Kaio and -3 for Dai Kaio)

-Mr. Buu Level 1 (3 -3 handicap +1 for South Kai)
-Evil Buu Level 3
(Evil Buu than absorbs Good Buu, causing their powers to recombine. Dai Kaio's influence also becomes dormant, which turns the -3 handicap into a -2 handicap)

Super Buu Level 5 (4 +1 for the lower handicap)
(Then Super Buu absorbs Piccolo and Gotenks)

(Then he starts his absorbing shenanigans which I won't bother assigning levels for, as they are really irrelevant to the end result. Eventually he gets downgraded back to Super form, and then Vegeta rips out Mr. Buu's pod. But this time, perhaps due to the shock of Vegeta ripping out the pod, South Kaio winds up staying in the evil half of Buu. The evil Buu has already encoded Mr. Buu's genetic code and thus doesn't need him anymore to get the united power boost, meaning he would still be Level 5. Kind of like how Cell didn't need Android 18 anymore. He then gets the +1 South Kaio boost and becomes Kid Buu again at Level 6)

Mr. Buu Level 1
Kid Buu Level 6